Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[thelaw]

Thanks for your comments - I'm playing euro wheels so zero's have not caused too much upset so far (not needed an insurance bet) and I included them in the 3 spin mini games.

Nick

Just ran this on some spins from Wiesbaden, and ended -08 after 170 spins using 1-3-3 (no zero insurance).

One possible way to deal with this is to use a different progression for recoup after a loss (i had 4 full losses on this chart).

So after a loss, we could jump to 3 units (or more if you like) and use a Labouchere standard line (cancellation system) for a much or as little as we like to recoup (more conservative is better). Ex: We just lost 14 units on a 1-2-3 game, then started a Labouchere line to recoup 3(x3) wins. Then a total loss only costs us 5 units.

In that same game mentioned above, we would have been +28 units.

[celescliff]

I must be the slowest guy on this forum, that after 25 pages I still don't understand how this works.

Let me see if I can understand.

What I don't know about this if you play on one dozen or two dozen but this is how I see it:

spin 1: 3 red (1st dozen)
spin 2: 13 black (2nd dozen)

Now we bet on dozen 1 and 2 since we play against 1 2 3?

spin 3: 1 red (1st dozen) WIN

If spin 3 would be let say 36 red we make the same bet (1st and 2nd dozen) with a progression?

Maybe you can fill in the gap where I'm wrong or maybe tell me how you would play on those three spin, which is one mini game, right?

Sorry if I'm ignorant, being my first post and all, although I've been a long time lurker.

[RouletteGhost]

I must be the slowest guy on this forum, that after 25 pages I still don't understand how this works.

Let me see if I can understand.

What I don't know about this if you play on one dozen or two dozen but this is how I see it:

spin 1: 3 red (1st dozen)
spin 2: 13 black (2nd dozen)

Now we bet on dozen 1 and 2 since we play against 1 2 3?

spin 3: 1 red (1st dozen) WIN

If spin 3 would be let say 36 red we make the same bet (1st and 2nd dozen) with a progression?

Maybe you can fill in the gap where I'm wrong or maybe tell me how you would play on those three spin, which is one mini game, right?

Sorry if I'm ignorant, being my first post and all, although I've been a long time lurker.

Spin 1. Bet dozens 2 and 3
If lose
Spin 2. Bet dozens 1 and 3
If lose
Spin 3. Bet dozens 1 and 2

On any win wait until the 3 spin mini game is done

If you win at spin 2 sit out next spin and wait for next mini game

If win at spin 1 sit out next 2 spins and wait for next mini game

[celescliff]

Spin 1. Bet dozens 2 and 3
If lose
Spin 2. Bet dozens 1 and 3
If lose
Spin 3. Bet dozens 1 and 2

Is this from my example or is it how you always play your mini games?

Oh by the way, about the progression. I would never use 1, 3 and 9. Not even 1, 3 and 3.

This is what I use when playing on two dozen from previous strategies I've used:

We say that we have 1000 units and we start bet 10 on each dozen, which is 20 units.

So let say we bet on 1 and 2 dozen.

3rd dozen came up so we lost, then we bet 10 on each dozen again only that we now have 15 in memory. If we win we bet 15 units on each dozen. We win again and
we back were we started with 5 units in profit. Example:

D1 D2
---------
10 10 W                       
10 10 L  (15 memory) 
10 10 L  (20 memory) 
10 10 W                       
20 20 L (25 memory)   
20 20 W                       
25 25 W (20 memory)
20 20 W (15 memory)
15 15 L  (20 memory)
15 15 W                       
20 20 W (15 memory) 
15 15 W (10 memory) 
10 10 W and we're back with profit
---------
D1 D2 = Any dozen you played on.

You could also change the progression anytime you want. If you have a draw down of 400 units (600 left) and work your way up to say, 950, then change the progression
to some smaller units or start from 10 again.

The good thing about this progression is even if you loose several times, you can almost everytime come back and since this strategy have a series of wins from previous
example, this should work fine.

[RouletteGhost]

This system will not work without a progression.

[thelaw]

Is this from my example or is it how you always play your mini games?

Oh by the way, about the progression. I would never use 1, 3 and 9. Not even 1, 3 and 3.

This is what I use when playing on two dozen from previous strategies I've used:

We say that we have 1000 units and we start bet 10 on each dozen, which is 20 units.

So let say we bet on 1 and 2 dozen.

3rd dozen came up so we lost, then we bet 10 on each dozen again only that we now have 15 in memory. If we win we bet 15 units on each dozen. We win again and
we back were we started with 5 units in profit. Example:

D1 D2
---------
10 10 W                       
10 10 L  (15 memory) 
10 10 L  (20 memory) 
10 10 W                       
20 20 L (25 memory)   
20 20 W                       
25 25 W (20 memory)
20 20 W (15 memory)
15 15 L  (20 memory)
15 15 W                       
20 20 W (15 memory) 
15 15 W (10 memory) 
10 10 W and we're back with profit
---------
D1 D2 = Any dozen you played on.

You could also change the progression anytime you want. If you have a draw down of 400 units (600 left) and work your way up to say, 950, then change the progression
to some smaller units or start from 10 again.

The good thing about this progression is even if you loose several times, you can almost everytime come back and since this strategy have a series of wins from previous
example, this should work fine.

GlC has written extensively about this type of bet referring to the "memory" as "banks". Just a modified version of a Labouchere.

Ultimately, you are just delaying the inevitable possibility of a loss. There is a whole blog on this subject - google search targetbetting blogspot. I have a thread on here outlining and testing it. It can run out of control like anything else.

If you check back earlier in this thread, you will see several suggestions in a post from GLC for more conservative betting.

Some of these methods take far too long to get back into profit, thus becoming a grinder system.

[celescliff]

GlC has written extensively about this type of bet referring to the "memory" as "banks". Just a modified version of a Labouchere.

Ultimately, you are just delaying the inevitable possibility of a loss. There is a whole blog on this subject - google search targetbetting blogspot. I have a thread on here outlining and testing it. It can run out of control like anything else.

If you check back earlier in this thread, you will see several suggestions in a post from GLC for more conservative betting.

Some of these methods take far too long to get back into profit, thus becoming a grinder system.

Ok, I will. Didn't knew there was a thread about this type of progression. Thanks alot.

Spin 1. Bet dozens 2 and 3
If lose
Spin 2. Bet dozens 1 and 3
If lose
Spin 3. Bet dozens 1 and 2

Is this from my example or is it how you always play your mini games?

I never got an answer on this, so forgive me for asking again.

I got one more question, though. *sigh*

When you play one mini game, after the three spins, the mini game is over and you start a new mini game right after the three spins. Do you think of the mini game as a continuation from the previous spin or do you think of it as a totally new game? Or do you wait a few spins before starting the new mini game?

Sorry to trouble you guys and thanks alot for your help.

[RouletteGhost]

Ok, I will. Didn't knew there was a thread about this type of progression. Thanks alot.

I never got an answer on this, so forgive me for asking again.

I got one more question, though. *sigh*

When you play one mini game, after the three spins, the mini game is over and you start a new mini game right after the three spins. Do you think of the mini game as a continuation from the previous spin or do you think of it as a totally new game? Or do you wait a few spins before starting the new mini game?

Sorry to trouble you guys and thanks alot for your help.

A mini game is max 3 spins

Anytime u win STOP and wait for the 3 spins to finish then start again

If u win on spin 3 u immediately start again

If u dont understand this then fly to long island and ill have to show u in person.

Theres no way else i can say it

Edit: look at my charts. When u see green STOP then wait until next row

[celescliff]

I got it. Thanks alot.

[thelaw]

Just ran a quick sequence from Wiesbaden - Table #2 18.11.2015 #159 spins

10-19-27

9-14-31

2-17-36

2-20-25

4 full losses in 159 spins............Just be aware.........this is still a volatile bet selection.

[RouletteGhost]

Just ran a quick sequence from Wiesbaden - Table #2 18.11.2015 #159 spins

10-19-27

9-14-31

2-17-36

2-20-25

4 full losses in 159 spins............Just be aware.........this is still a volatile bet selection.

Makes sense. U will see 123 on euro roughly every 50 spins. 4 times within 200 spins

American zumma has it once every 100.......

[RouletteGhost]

i notice my smites keep rising

certain people here dislike when i talk about working systems....

[RouletteGhost]

first few pages of thread raymanzz posted this

euro wheel

average of 123 every 80 spins

important note props to nottophammer for this: 231 may be the euro version of 123 on american

THELAW and NICKTHEGREEK maybe test betting against 231 on euro....and 312....personally i like 312 you sare still betting against a rightward motion

raymanzz:

66k spins:

123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795

123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26

[thelaw]

first few pages of thread raymanzz posted this

euro wheel

average of 123 every 80 spins

important note props to nottophammer for this: 231 may be the euro version of 123 on american

THELAW and NICKTHEGREEK maybe test betting against 231 on euro....and 312....personally i like 312 you sare still betting against a rightward motion

Quick test on two Euro tables shows about one 2-3-1 every 80 spins as predicted

3-1-2 showed 3 times in 320 spins as opposed to 4 with 2-3-1.....

[RouletteGhost]

Quick test on two Euro tables shows about one 2-3-1 every 80 spins as predicted

ya know.......i have ALWAYS said 2 things

1) the holy grail is simple
and
2)the holy grail is playing the dozens