Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[RouletteGhost]

Doesn't that put you at risk for more 1-2-3 showing up?

Also you will hit your target unit FAST. You will be 4 units up before 3 mini games would typically finish. In and out fast

1 2 3 would have to hit within 6 spins to lose big

Its in and out hit and run way

If you play the normal way 3 mini games is 9 spins if you play continuous reset back to 123 on a win then youll reach target way before 3 mini games

3 mini games profit 3 units normally. Continuous play 3 units profit before 2 normal mini games is up. Its faster

This way you have to hit 123 within 6 spins to lose

Wheras normally it would be 9

Less exposure

[thelaw]

Also you will hit your target unit FAST. You will be 4 units up before 3 mini games would typically finish. In and out fast

1 2 3 would have to hit within 6 spins to lose big

Its in and out hit and run way

If you play the normal way 3 mini games is 9 spins if you play continuous reset back to 123 on a win then youll reach target way before 3 mini games

3 mini games profit 3 units normally. Continuous play 3 units profit before 2 normal mini games is up. Its faster

I see your point, but one of my Wiesbaden sets has 8 (1-2-3) full losses (another has 6 in 167 spins) in 167 spins........one has 3 full 1-2-3 losses in  12 spins....this would be my worry.

[Tacwell]

Anywhere between 50 and 100 spins expect to see 1 2 3 occur

I see it once every 24 mini games or so which is on average 72 spins

This is where I see a potential problem, you're winning 1 unit every 3 spins, which equals 24 units every 72 spins, and you're loosing 26 units every 72 spins (on average), which leaves us at -2 units. That's without the 0/00 insurance, which I assume will lose the house edge percentage over time.

thelaw's testing with Labouchere MM will hopefully overcome this.

[RouletteGhost]

This is where I see a potential problem, you're winning 1 unit every 3 spins, which equals 24 units every 72 spins, and you're loosing 26 units every 72 spins (on average), which leaves us at -2 units. That's without the 0/00 insurance, which I assume will lose the house edge percentage over time.

thelaw's testing with Labouchere MM will hopefully overcome this.

Yes. In a way you are right

But if you wait for a 123 then start you will be in profit still when 123 finally does bite

Also i think hit and run is better. Stay for 6 spins and move on. Limit exposure

Also to consider is 123 may not be best for euro. Look at 231

I think we are smart enough to make something work that only fails every 50 to 100 spins

Rich

[RouletteGhost]

ive posted about half a dozen charts.....most of them had ONE 123 loss within 26 mini games and 1 or 2 had no losses...

this is by far the best system i have EVER seen

its really all we can ask for to be honest

but keep in mind all my major testing done on american wheels and zumma.....no euro......euro 123 instances may be much greater...therefore take this particular principle and see what works on EURO where you dont have 8 123 instances in 160 spins.....find THE WAY

THE WAY may be betting against columns ABC on euro....it may be betting against 231....who knows....ill do a euro test shortly on 231 and post it

[thelaw]

Yes. In a way you are right

But if you wait for a 123 then start you will be in profit still when 123 finally does bite

Also i think hit and run is better. Stay for 6 spins and move on. Limit exposure

Also to consider is 123 may not be best for euro. Look at 231

I think we are smart enough to make something work that only fails every 50 to 100 spins

Rich

The only problem with hit-and-run is that it can't be fully tested.

So I would argue that a hit-and-run can never be a true Grail in the traditional sense.

Not to mention the looming sledgehammer that is several losses back to back..........bankroll destroyer!!!

However, looking at this from a standpoint of losing full games, while focusing on bankroll strategy, might be a winner!

[RouletteGhost]

The only problem with hit-and-run is that it can't be fully tested.

So I would argue that a hit-and-run can never be a true Grail in the traditional sense.

Not to mention the looming sledgehammer that is several losses back to back..........bankroll destroyer!!!

However, looking at this from a standpoint of losing full games, while focusing on bankroll strategy, might be a winner!

agreed

i havent seen any, not a single 123 back to back yet

it will happen but so rare its light getting struck by lightning

[RouletteGhost]

i tried something different

this is a european wheel test

it is smart live numbers from this forum under live spins so it is real wheel results

had 231 twice and 312 twice.....cant say if this is common because this is first test

had 123 once....maybe no matter how u slice the cake they will hit about the same it just depends when you arrive at the wheel?

so you can see the 123 231 and 312 patterns on the chart

notice there is NO 321.....going the opposite way....interesting

so betting against 321 wins all games on this chart....that is what i have highlighted in green
another bet won every game on this chart as well....betting against the previous 3

is betting against previous 3 on euro a good bet? may be......i will attach the chart twice...one chart against 321 one chart against the previous 3...looks like previous 3 opposite and 321 is a good euro bet on this wheel lets see if it continues

ego suggest bet against the previous dozen formation with a GLC progression...he is on point here, that is a good chart

you cannot just bet the opposite of the dozen 3 back, that will eat you alive....play it in 3 spin mini games...after 3 spins bet the opposite of the last formation, on a win, wait for the 3 spins to finish then play again.....no continuous play for that....i think the key to betting against previous formation is on a win dont bet against the previous 3 until that specific 3 spin set is expired....so if you lose the 1st bet but win the 2nd, sit out the next spin (3rd spin) then start again

[RouletteGhost]

now time to test columns.......geesh

[thelaw]

Two quick tests of betting against past 3 spins = 1 full loss in 330 spins!!!

This seems too easy.........

[RouletteGhost]

Two quick tests of betting against past 3 spins = 1 full loss in 330 spins!!!

This seems too easy.........

very nice

i tested betting against 3 spins back...total failure

must be played in 3 spin mini games, if win on spin 1, then sit out the following 2 spins before betting against the previous 3 again!

[thelaw]

very nice

i tested betting against 3 spins back...total failure

must be played in 3 spin mini games, if win on spin 1, then sit out the following 2 spins before betting against the previous 3 again!

That's exactly how I tested it...

Also, anytime a zero popped up, I skipped the next mini-game.......this was much cleaner!

[RouletteGhost]

That's exactly how I tested it...

Also, anytime a zero popped up, I skipped the next mini-game.......this was much cleaner!

ego said it was a good way to play...maybe thats the euro answer

[thelaw]

It should be noted that betting against the last 3 spins on dozens is pretty low hanging fruit as far as Roulette goes.

This should concern all of us, as it just seems wayyyyyyy too easy.

So my questions is - What's the catch???

What is our unfair advantage?

[RouletteGhost]

It should be noted that betting against the last 3 spins on dozens is pretty low hanging fruit as far as Roulette goes.

This should concern all of us, as it just seems wayyyyyyy too easy.

So my questions is - What's the catch???

What is our unfair advantage?

i dont know but for about 3 years now i have been saying the holy grail is probably very very simple and we just dont see it....one taste opened up an entire new way of thinking