Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[wiggy]

So I had a good think about it all last night and suddenly remembered about a progression I had read about last year in a book which was a type of rise and fall progression. I have modified it a bit and did some testing with this bet selection and it works really well.

First of all, I will list the steps of the rise and fall progression.

1) 1
2) 1
3) 1
4) 1
5) 1
6) 2
7) 2
8}2
9) 2
10) 3
11) 3
12) 3
13) 4
14) 4
15) 5
16) 5
17) 6
18) 7
19) 8
20) 9
21) 10
22) 11
23) 12
24) 14
25) 16
26) 18
27) 20
28) 22
29) 25
30) 28
31) 30
32) 32
33) 35
34) 40
35) 45

The steps go up to 46 in the book.

I think this was originally designed for even chance but it can still be used for the double dozens.
What I do is start at 1 and bet 2x1 on the two dozens I want to play. Go up one step on any loss. Now the difference compared to the original way of playing is that I don't drop back a step. I will just stay on the same level on a win until I am back in profit. This bet selection does throw up a lot of wins and consecutively as well, so it does the job.

I will use the same results as on my previous post and show how it took 44 spins to get into profit.
You will also notice that I reset if I get back to break even.

1) step1 2x1 w +1. reset.
2) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
3) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
4) step1 2x1 w +1 (+1 total) reset.
5) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
6) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
7) step1 2x1 l -2 (-2 total)
8} step2 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
9) step3 2x1 w +1 (-3 total)
10) step3 2x1 w +1 (-2 total)
11) step3 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
12) step4 2x1 l -2 (-6 total)
13) step5 2x1 l -2 (-8 total)
14) step6 2x2 l -4 (-12 total)
15) step7 2x2 l -4 (-16 total)
16) step8 2x2 l -4 (-20 total)
17) step9 2x2 l -4 (-24 total)
18) step10 2x3 w +3 (-21 total)
19) step10 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
20) step10 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
21) step10 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
22) step11 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
23) step11 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
24) step11 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
25) step12 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
26) step12 2x3 l -6 (-24 total)
27) step13 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
28) step14 2x4 w +4 (-28 total)
29) step14 2x4 w +4 (-24 total)
30) step14 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
31) step15 2x5 w +5 (-27 total)
32) step15 2x5 l -10 (-37 total)
33) step16 2x5 w +5 (-32 total)
34) step16 2x5 l -10 (-42 total)
35) step17 2x6 w +6 (-36 total)
36) step17 2x6 w +6 (-30 total)
37) step17 2x6 w +6 (-24 total)
38) step17 2x6 w +6 (-18 total)
39) step17 2x6 w +6 (-12 total)
40) step17 2x6 l -12 (-24 total)
41) step18 2x7 w +7 (-17 total)
42) step18 2x7 w +7 (-10 total)
43) step18 2x7 w +7 (-3 total)
44) step18 2x7 w +7 (+4 total) reset.

So it managed to navigate through a tricky spell and come out with a profit. The drawdown was never huge either. The worst was -42. This one could be worth having a good look at along with the bet selection.

cheers

[RouletteGhost]

Perhaps it would be wise to move to another table after a loss if you a using a Marti.....

If not, as I warned many times on this thread, the sledgehammer awaits........

Exactly. With 720 to 1 odds chances very slim to have back to back in 3 to 4 mini games

[RouletteGhost]

So I had a good think about it all last night and suddenly remembered about a progression I had read about last year in a book which was a type of rise and fall progression. I have modified it a bit and did some testing with this bet selection and it works really well.

First of all, I will list the steps of the rise and fall progression.

1) 1
2) 1
3) 1
4) 1
5) 1
6) 2
7) 2
8}2
9) 2
10) 3
11) 3
12) 3
13) 4
14) 4
15) 5
16) 5
17) 6
18) 7
19) 8
20) 9
21) 10
22) 11
23) 12
24) 14
25) 16
26) 18
27) 20
28) 22
29) 25
30) 28
31) 30
32) 32
33) 35
34) 40
35) 45

The steps go up to 46 in the book.

I think this was originally designed for even chance but it can still be used for the double dozens.
What I do is start at 1 and bet 2x1 on the two dozens I want to play. Go up one step on any loss. Now the difference compared to the original way of playing is that I don't drop back a step. I will just stay on the same level on a win until I am back in profit. This bet selection does throw up a lot of wins and consecutively as well, so it does the job.

I will use the same results as on my previous post and show how it took 44 spins to get into profit.
You will also notice that I reset if I get back to break even.

1) step1 2x1 w +1. reset.
2) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
3) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
4) step1 2x1 w +1 (+1 total) reset.
5) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
6) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
7) step1 2x1 l -2 (-2 total)
8} step2 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
9) step3 2x1 w +1 (-3 total)
10) step3 2x1 w +1 (-2 total)
11) step3 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
12) step4 2x1 l -2 (-6 total)
13) step5 2x1 l -2 (-8 total)
14) step6 2x2 l -4 (-12 total)
15) step7 2x2 l -4 (-16 total)
16) step8 2x2 l -4 (-20 total)
17) step9 2x2 l -4 (-24 total)
18) step10 2x3 w +3 (-21 total)
19) step10 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
20) step10 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
21) step10 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
22) step11 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
23) step11 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
24) step11 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
25) step12 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
26) step12 2x3 l -6 (-24 total)
27) step13 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
28) step14 2x4 w +4 (-28 total)
29) step14 2x4 w +4 (-24 total)
30) step14 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
31) step15 2x5 w +5 (-27 total)
32) step15 2x5 l -10 (-37 total)
33) step16 2x5 w +5 (-32 total)
34) step16 2x5 l -10 (-42 total)
35) step17 2x6 w +6 (-36 total)
36) step17 2x6 w +6 (-30 total)
37) step17 2x6 w +6 (-24 total)
38) step17 2x6 w +6 (-18 total)
39) step17 2x6 w +6 (-12 total)
40) step17 2x6 l -12 (-24 total)
41) step18 2x7 w +7 (-17 total)
42) step18 2x7 w +7 (-10 total)
43) step18 2x7 w +7 (-3 total)
44) step18 2x7 w +7 (+4 total) reset.

So it managed to navigate through a tricky spell and come out with a profit. The drawdown was never huge either. The worst was -42. This one could be worth having a good look at along with the bet selection.

cheers

Thats what im talking about

Id never stick around for that many spins but good job for finding a way. Thats what its all about. Saying it wont work is weak. You did the opposite!

[nottophammer]

Hello RG and all.

I will need to split this into two posts because it's long. The first post is my results from a casino visit which were unfortunately not very good and the second post is possibly a solution.

I will list the results including the wins and losses for the 11-33-99 progression and also for my 9 level parlay MM.

123-311 w
213-231 lw
312-123 w  level2
231-222 lw
321-323 llw

123-213 w  level4
213-213 lll
312-312 lll
231-211 lw
321-123 w  level8

123-222 w
213-233 lw
312-113 w  level2
231-211 lw
321-322 llw

123-323 w  level4
213-232 lw
312-321 lw
231-212 lw
321-232 w  level4

123-333 w
213-332 w  level1
312-132 w
231-211 lw
321-211 w  level2

123-321 w
213-113 w  level1
312-312 lll
231-322 w
321-311 lw

123-122 llw
213-313 w  level7
312-221 w
231-213 lw
321-212 w  level2

123-132 lw
213-211 llw
312-321 lw
231-131 w  level5
321-232 w

That comes to +37 for the wins and -78 for the 3 losses giving a total of -41.

Seeing a double loss was a bit of a shock, but that's what can happen. I tried to work out the odds of it and I think it's around 720/1. So I should be proud I hit it on games 6 and 7. 

Anyway, that's the bad news!! Some good news in the next post.

I wonder about these results, just seems funny 1,2,3 shows followed by 2,2,2 twice, then 1,3,2 shows followed by 2,1,1 twice.
Probably just Notto making something out of nothing

[RouletteGhost]

40 mini games. 3 lost. MM reigns

[thelaw]

So I had a good think about it all last night and suddenly remembered about a progression I had read about last year in a book which was a type of rise and fall progression. I have modified it a bit and did some testing with this bet selection and it works really well.

First of all, I will list the steps of the rise and fall progression.

1) 1
2) 1
3) 1
4) 1
5) 1
6) 2
7) 2
8}2
9) 2
10) 3
11) 3
12) 3
13) 4
14) 4
15) 5
16) 5
17) 6
18) 7
19) 8
20) 9
21) 10
22) 11
23) 12
24) 14
25) 16
26) 18
27) 20
28) 22
29) 25
30) 28
31) 30
32) 32
33) 35
34) 40
35) 45

The steps go up to 46 in the book.

I think this was originally designed for even chance but it can still be used for the double dozens.
What I do is start at 1 and bet 2x1 on the two dozens I want to play. Go up one step on any loss. Now the difference compared to the original way of playing is that I don't drop back a step. I will just stay on the same level on a win until I am back in profit. This bet selection does throw up a lot of wins and consecutively as well, so it does the job.

I will use the same results as on my previous post and show how it took 44 spins to get into profit.
You will also notice that I reset if I get back to break even.

1) step1 2x1 w +1. reset.
2) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
3) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
4) step1 2x1 w +1 (+1 total) reset.
5) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
6) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
7) step1 2x1 l -2 (-2 total)
8} step2 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
9) step3 2x1 w +1 (-3 total)
10) step3 2x1 w +1 (-2 total)
11) step3 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
12) step4 2x1 l -2 (-6 total)
13) step5 2x1 l -2 (-8 total)
14) step6 2x2 l -4 (-12 total)
15) step7 2x2 l -4 (-16 total)
16) step8 2x2 l -4 (-20 total)
17) step9 2x2 l -4 (-24 total)
18) step10 2x3 w +3 (-21 total)
19) step10 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
20) step10 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
21) step10 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
22) step11 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
23) step11 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
24) step11 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
25) step12 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
26) step12 2x3 l -6 (-24 total)
27) step13 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
28) step14 2x4 w +4 (-28 total)
29) step14 2x4 w +4 (-24 total)
30) step14 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
31) step15 2x5 w +5 (-27 total)
32) step15 2x5 l -10 (-37 total)
33) step16 2x5 w +5 (-32 total)
34) step16 2x5 l -10 (-42 total)
35) step17 2x6 w +6 (-36 total)
36) step17 2x6 w +6 (-30 total)
37) step17 2x6 w +6 (-24 total)
38) step17 2x6 w +6 (-18 total)
39) step17 2x6 w +6 (-12 total)
40) step17 2x6 l -12 (-24 total)
41) step18 2x7 w +7 (-17 total)
42) step18 2x7 w +7 (-10 total)
43) step18 2x7 w +7 (-3 total)
44) step18 2x7 w +7 (+4 total) reset.

So it managed to navigate through a tricky spell and come out with a profit. The drawdown was never huge either. The worst was -42. This one could be worth having a good look at along with the bet selection.

cheers

This is certainly more conservative than the standard Marti, but I would suggest checking out GLC's modified divisor progression as a better alternative.

The question with this progression is : "what sequence will tank it!".

-41 units is not horrible considering the number of losses that you had in such a short period!

[thelaw]

I wonder about these results, just seems funny 1,2,3 shows followed by 2,2,2 twice, then 1,3,2 shows followed by 2,1,1 twice.
Probably just Notto making something out of nothing

What should really blow your mind is how 2 separate members have found a back-to-back loss in such a short period of time!

[RouletteGhost]

This is certainly more conservative than the standard Marti, but I would suggest checking out GLC's modified divisor progression as a better alternative.

The question with this progression is : "what sequence will tank it!".

-41 units is not horrible considering the number of losses that you had in such a short period!

The solution is play 2 to 4 mini games and move on

[nottophammer]

But if i've done it right the results on right are the actual spins. so i copied them in single order for 120 spins. As you can see i stopped at 60 spins.
I would flat bet every spin against 1,3,2 and be out after 3 spins, Like it RG.
If play the 60 spins, 60*2= 120.  45 wins 45*3=135   +15

Lets see what 2nd group of 60 produce

[RouletteGhost]

But if i've done it right the results on right are the actual spins. so i copied them in single order for 120 spins. As you can see i stopped at 60 spins.
I would flat bet every spin against 1,3,2 and be out after 3 spins, Like it RG.
If play the 60 spins, 60*2= 120.  45 wins 45*3=135   +15

Lets see what 2nd group of 60 produce

You love that 132. As you should. Its good

Id do 139 against 132 and then move on after 2 to 4 mini games

[nottophammer]

Do we have any hard set rules yet.

Me, the b+m 40 mile away and as for London 50, so it makes more sense, Tacwell, to visit the FOBT, where i could visit over 40 machines,where we only want to win a unit.
Tacwell, if you know anything about staking on fobt's, you know to start with £1, 1-1,as the last bet would be 27-27,so never start on 5-5.
its like the bet on singles .20p .40p.60.80.1.00, now we should be able to go 1.20,but no the sneaky f*****s take you straight to £2.00

[nottophammer]

The 2nd set of 60 spins we would win the unit and be on to the next fobt,in a new shop.Some shops are even next door to each other. Saturdays little test, eh Hugh,won on all 8 machines,and weekends the shops are busier
Even if you played the whole 60 spins flat bet,you win 41 spins.

[RouletteGhost]

The 2nd set of 60 spins we would win the unit and be on to the next fobt,in a new shop.Some shops are even next door to each other. Saturdays little test, eh Hugh,won on all 8 machines,and weekends the shops are busier
Even if you played the whole 60 spins flat bet,you win 41 spins.

You got the right idea

[Turner]

Perhaps it would be wise to move to another table after a loss if you a using a Marti.....

If not, as I warned many times on this thread, the sledgehammer awaits........

Law

Everyone has a view, and mine is no better than anyone elses....however

A table produces random numbers, and to move to another table isnt to reset your personal numbers from the last table, its just to play the next random number.

Its not Bananas, where they vary slightly in ripeness or size, even though they are all Bananas

Its a random number. It has no distinguishing features from any other.

What  do you think?

[thelaw]

Law

Everyone has a view, and mine is no better than anyone elses....however

A table produces random numbers, and to move to another table isnt to reset your personal numbers from the last table, its just to play the next random number.

Its not Bananas, where they vary slightly in ripeness or size, even though they are all Bananas

Its a random number. It has no distinguishing features from any other.

What  do you think?

I agree 100%, but I was giving my opinion on a hit-and-run strategy, which I don't personally play.

I always test playing through as I want to get hit with the sledgehammer and learn how to survive............that's my definition of a HG!