Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[mogul397]

Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.

see the attached chart

we are NOT betting every single spin

this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started

see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.

goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6

wherever you see a GREEN color we stop betting that row. yes a progression. a 139 progression. dont like it? well then maybe 1 3 3 and grind....either way this is a progression system and ive been saying maybe its not for everyone

when i played for real money i played 1 2 5 progression. that means in a mini game i only win spin 1, but less risk. i made 7 units in 1 hour. will i everytime? NO. i WILL lose. I REPEAT I WILL LOSE. but money management can be applied to such a sure fire system.

have the time? chillin at home nothing to do bored? play raymanz tweak. WAIT for a unique dozen pattern ( 123 132 213 231 312 321) and bet against it, have even more time to spare? wait for a unique to repeat THEN bet against it, then laugh all the way to the bank

everyone's different

if the strategy is not for you or you do not believe in progressions or triggers then MOVE ON. not you mogul, just in general

i expect more Simon to be joining in the coming days, at least I HOPE the lurkers come out.....

Well first of all when I look at the chart, unless my head is completely up my ass,
it is wrong.  The first few green results are losses. If you are betting for the
opposite to come in.

The 739 post showed quite a good profit after flat betting.  I disagree with you
that the progression is necessary. Not because of that.  But when I get
philosophical about gambling and why/how we ALWAYS lose, one of
the couple reasons is that we chase losses HARD with progressions that
will eventually get us.  And the thing about it is, that it's like a magnet.
Like some practical joke where you look one way and say "I won't do this or
that" and with the other hand just do it.

That's not to say that I'm against progressions. But the nature of the system
tells you what the system can bear. And to lay 1-2 odds and always try to
stay ahead or get out of a hole is suicide.

In all reality it's the money management that helps keep you alive. I gave my
real life example, on paper, of how it collapsed. I was sad that day. Thought
I was onto something.. And walked out saying, "oh well".

[RouletteGhost]

Well first of all when I look at the chart, unless my head is completely up my ass,
it is wrong.  The first few green results are losses.

No. Betting AGAINST 123. If you cant understand that someone else will have to explain it

Look at the chart again. Against 123. 

[RouletteGhost]

Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.

see the attached chart

we are NOT betting every single spin

this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started

see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.

goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6

wherever you see a GREEN color we stop betting that row. yes a progression. a 139 progression. dont like it? well then maybe 1 3 3 and grind....either way this is a progression system and ive been saying maybe its not for everyone

when i played for real money i played 1 2 5 progression. that means in a mini game i only win spin 1, but less risk. i made 7 units in 1 hour. will i everytime? NO. i WILL lose. I REPEAT I WILL LOSE. but money management can be applied to such a sure fire system.

have the time? chillin at home nothing to do bored? play raymanz tweak. WAIT for a unique dozen pattern ( 123 132 213 231 312 321) and bet against it, have even more time to spare? wait for a unique to repeat THEN bet against it, then laugh all the way to the bank

everyone's different

if the strategy is not for you or you do not believe in progressions or triggers then MOVE ON. not you mogul, just in general

i expect more Simon to be joining in the coming days, at least I HOPE the lurkers come out.....

Mogul

Here again

See chart

AGAINST 123

"Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.

see the attached chart

we are NOT betting every single spin

this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started

see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.

goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6"

If i take the time out please read it.

[celescliff]

@celescliff. ...what is that progression?

It's not really a progression, more of a target betting. It's a modified version of labouchere. I'm currently testing this so I will post all the detail how I bet if this is still successful. 

[thelaw]

Mogul

Here again

See chart

AGAINST 123

"Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.

see the attached chart

we are NOT betting every single spin

this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started

see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.

goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6"

If i take the time out please read it.

Another approach would be against 1-2-3 betting 1,2,3

Win on first      = +01

Win on second = +00

Win on third     =  -03

Total loss         =  -12

More of a grind, but much safer.

[celescliff]

This was the worst so far, but it's understandable since I had many repeaters this time. More then I've seen before. (four repeaters in a row)

3   1   1
3   1   1
1   2   2
1   2   1
2   3   1 <
3   2   1 <
1   2   3 <
1   3   2 <
1   1   1
3   3   1
2   2   2
0   3   3
1   2   1
2   2   3
3   2   1 <
1   3   1
1   1   2
1   3   2 <
1   1   1
1   2   3 <
2   1   3 <
2   1   3 <
3   1   3
3   2   1 <
0   1   0
3   2   1 <
1   2   2
3   1   1
3   2   1 <
2   3   1 <
3   2   2
1   3   3
1   1   3
1   1   3
1   2   3 <
2   1   0
3   3   3
3   2   0
3   1   2 <
2   3   1 <
3   1   3
2   2   3
2   2   1
1   3   3
2   3   2
1   3   1
1   1   1
3   1   0
2   1   2
3   0   3
2   1   3 <
2   1   1
3   1   3
2   3   2
2   1   2
3   3   3
1   2   1

But atleast I pulled it through.

[MrJ]

You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".

In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!

The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".

In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!

The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!

Ken

Thats why i test only 75 spins. See chart

This is great for in and out

[RouletteGhost]

This was the worst so far, but it's understandable since I had many repeaters this time. More then I've seen before. (four repeaters in a row)

3   1   1
3   1   1
1   2   2
1   2   1
2   3   1 <
3   2   1 <
1   2   3 <
1   3   2 <
1   1   1
3   3   1
2   2   2
0   3   3
1   2   1
2   2   3
3   2   1 <
1   3   1
1   1   2
1   3   2 <
1   1   1
1   2   3 <
2   1   3 <
2   1   3 <
3   1   3
3   2   1 <
0   1   0
3   2   1 <
1   2   2
3   1   1
3   2   1 <
2   3   1 <
3   2   2
1   3   3
1   1   3
1   1   3
1   2   3 <
2   1   0
3   3   3
3   2   0
3   1   2 <
2   3   1 <
3   1   3
2   2   3
2   2   1
1   3   3
2   3   2
1   3   1
1   1   1
3   1   0
2   1   2
3   0   3
2   1   3 <
2   1   1
3   1   3
2   3   2
2   1   2
3   3   3
1   2   1

But atleast I pulled it through.

Holy crap. So many uniques

Raymanz tweak went wild in a good way. !!

Bet against unique when it happens. ALWAYS

Betting against unique lost one time only. As expected.

Wherever you had the arrow. Money

213 repeated one time. Easily overcome

Row 6 id be done and out see ya lata alligater

[RouletteGhost]

Celes. Go back to page 50. Look at ur test

Decide if u liked playing that way.

Cause man, that was a solid tweak

[RouletteGhost]

Each and every mini game won

Max step in progression: 2

Put a note of humor on it

Now im no roulette expert. BUT if you go 75 spins with no loss id say hey thats a good system. Progression or not......(3 step progression)

[celescliff]

Celes. Go back to page 50. Look at ur test

Decide if u liked playing that way.

Cause man, that was a solid tweak

I really did, and I think I'm going to test it later on some more.

You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".

In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!

The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!

Ken

If I were to play for real then I would have quit ALOT sooner. I've been testing a target betting with this and I want to see if you could come back even if you have a very bad session such as this one. Also, I'm downloading my spins, and I use every spin in that file for that day. Do people really want to see how long I would actually play or to test and see if this works for more than 50 <  spins?

[MrJ]

Thats why i test only 75 spins. See chart

This is great for in and out

Its not the number of spins but rather, the BR amount you are willing to lose at the CASINO or (I cant believe I'm saying it), some RNG rip-off place. Even with a small BR. We'll say $150.

You promise yourself, if it gets down to $30 (you lost 120), you quit. It makes NO DIFFERENCE, 75 spins. Now, transfer my example to a TRUE SITUATION, testing and real play has to *BE THE SAME*.

If your BR for casino play is only $150 (I'm not insulting that), if you got down to $30 (testing), YOU ARE DONE, you lost with THAT particular chart. Not every chart, THAT particular chart.

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

Its not the number of spins but rather, the BR amount you are willing to lose at the CASINO or (I cant believe I'm saying it), some RNG rip-off place. Even with a small BR. We'll say $150.

You promise yourself, if it gets down to $30 (you lost 120), you quit. It makes NO DIFFERENCE, 75 spins. Now, transfer my example to a TRUE SITUATION, testing and real play has to *BE THE SAME*.

If your BR for casino play is only $150 (I'm not insulting that), if you got down to $30 (testing), YOU ARE DONE, you lost with THAT particular chart. Not every chart, THAT particular chart.

Ken

All systems have losing charts

Just because you like 2 to 4 numbers doesnt mean this method has no merit

This method just does not fit your way of play

Which is fine

I have tested many of thousands of spins with success on original 123 grassroots. That is 24 numbers. I will pick that all day over 2 to 4 numbers. Why? HIT AND RUN

[MrJ]

"If I were to play for real then I would have quit ALOT sooner" >> OMG !!!!

Sooner? So you guys still dont get it? Then the testing charts have to be even less than I thought. Another thing, because all of our BRs are not the same.....guess what that means? ......come on, you can do it......it means DIFFERENT results for every person reading the charts !!! The person with the $200 BR will not have the same results as the guy with the 3K BR. The chart stats would of wiped the $200 guy out long before the 3K guy regardless of WHERE the chart ends up.

I want somebody to play this with a 2K BR. You cant lose, its a HG.

Ken