Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[RouletteGhost]

Hi Guys..
I've found this forum & thread 4 days ago and have been lurking in the background trying to catch up on the 88 odd pages (now 90). I've made it to page 50 or so at many stages I wanted to post a message but wanted to get the the end incase someone has already covered it in the 50 odd pages left to read .

This system is by far the most simplistic and easy system to understand, I'm a big fan of RG , the law and all the positive poster who made the effort to do testing and tweaks posting it up. RG thanks for keep this thread alive, if you didn't it would of faded into the background and I would have never seen it. 

Those other members who disagree, it's fair to say all system will fail... the MATHS is always there, the casino will always have the edge.. I find commenting on saying if I tested this system over 1 million spins will I still be ahead? fair to say if you did that to any system you won't be.. the LAW of AVERAGES will always catch up to you. RG has stressed its a quick 2-4 mini games and then you to a new table or walk out with your profits.. if you sit there for a few thousand more spins of course you'll lose it all back =).

This is awesome thread and I will try and post up some of my live results in the near future..
yAh to my first post.
Regards
T

Thanks for the nice words. If orochi believes in part of it, that tells me something

I almost stopped a few times when the negativity came after page 40 but i decided not to stop

Why would i stop? Every which way i test it in short spurts comes out a winner.

Thank you!

The edge is always there. Cant beat it. But we can find ways to beat it temporarily? Or at least win temporarily

Believe me this wheel can spit out 231 231 231 however its rare

[RouletteGhost]

Orochi. Thanks for all your tips

A big help

I make one suggestion. Bet 0

Someone saw
123
123
103

"Its the same as betting 20"
when you are beting against a fixed dozen pattern it isnt. Because 0 isnt part of a dozen. So cover it

[mogul397]

U need to find a 6 block pattern:

Example:

3,1,1,3,2,1,3,2,3,1,2,2,1,2,2,3,2,1,3,3,3


After RED (1,2,2,1,2,2) our pattern start betting against it!

Our bets will be:
2,3 / 1,3 / 1,3 / 2,3 / 1,3 / 1,3

Just keep betting that away if win or loose until the goal is reach!
If u get other 6 block pattern switch the bet against it.

3 things.

1) I still wonder how long you would have to wait to see/find these patterns.
Any way you slice it, you're going for small units and it becomes not worth it.

2) Having said that, then why not just pick whatever 6 spin pattern just happened
and use this logic?  They should all be conceptually the same. So jump in,
identify what just happened, and bet against it.

3) How do you plan on banking a 6 bet betting spree on 2 dozens?
A 1,3,9,27 is 4 and about the outside edge that people are willing
to consider.

[RouletteGhost]

3) How do you plan on banking a 6 bet betting spree on 2 dozens?
A 1,3,9,27 is 4 and about the outside edge that people are willing
to consider.

1 or 2 pages back orochi posted a progression

[Orochi]

3 things.

1) I still wonder how long you would have to wait to see/find these patterns.
Any way you slice it, you're going for small units and it becomes not worth it.

2) Having said that, then why not just pick whatever 6 spin pattern just happened
and use this logic?  They should all be conceptually the same. So jump in,
identify what just happened, and bet against it.

3) How do you plan on banking a 6 bet betting spree on 2 dozens?
A 1,3,9,27 is 4 and about the outside edge that people are willing
to consider.

1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬
2) maybe is the same, but i prefer for now 2 simetric blocks of 3.
3) progression is a parlay


This is my paper tracker a little messy after midnight of the New Year

[RouletteGhost]

Nice paper tracker lol. At casino i use baccarat card

I see triggers then i see winners


231 bba? You wrote then at the start. Why? Because those were the 2 triggers u had?

Also i notice there were a few uniques. None repeated

[SimonZed1]

PARLAY progression is:

1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27

Orochi,

Started testing it.. Nice results so far.

Are you using a winning progression or a losing progression?

I am actually testing it with going up the ladder when winning, but do you use your progression when winning or when losing?

Do you bet flat when winning and going up when you lose a bet or the other way?

How do you handle the zero? Do you stop your betting when you get one and wait for another 2x3 or do you continue as usual and just count it as a loss?

In a test I got 3,2,1,0,3,2,1. I started the 3,2,1 betting even if I had a zero in the middle. Is that ok?

Thanks!!

Simon,

[RouletteGhost]

Since orichi waits for a repeat then bets against it ex. 231231 now bet against 231

What people can do if they wish is simply bet against previous 3. With a small unit size. 1 3 9 progression with quarters. If you lose that means the previous 3 repeated like 232 232.

Playing with quarters you would be down $6.50 if lost

Now since you lost of course you have orochis trigger

Now bet 1 3 9 progresion against against 232 with $6.50 units....

Many more bet opportunities. More wins.

NOT recommended for big boy unit size

1 in 860 chance of winning with $175 bankroll

.25/.25, .75/.75, 2.25/2.25

If lose that series

6.50/6.50, 19.50/19.50, 58.50/58.50

Playing orichis genius way but every mini game we play against previous 3. If we lose that means we have orichis trigger and we bet the 6.50 units

Heres how i look at it: play against previous 3 with tiny units. Winning as much as possible, then orochis trigger kicks in on a loss and we increase unit size. Money management

Step 1- Bet against previous 3
Step 2- If lose now you have orochis trigger
Step 3- Go big

[RouletteGhost]

1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬
2) maybe is the same, but i prefer for now 2 simetric blocks of 3.
3) progression is a parlay


This is my paper tracker a little messy after midnight of the New Year

"1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬"

To add to my last post

You see 3 repeats within 60 spins. Thats 3 triggers

Thats 17 mini games where betting against previous 3 wins and 3 mini games lose (60 spins 20 mini games)

Then when you lose (3 times) you have your trigger

Thats all mini games won with my tweak

Only way to lose is a triple repeat

[mogul397]

1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬
2) maybe is the same, but i prefer for now 2 simetric blocks of 3.
3) progression is a parlay


This is my paper tracker a little messy after midnight of the New Year

OK, I'm not trying to be a hard ass. Really.  Do you have a zumma book?
If so, can you pick some random pages that show it?

[RouletteGhost]

OK, I'm not trying to be a hard ass. Really.  Do you have a zumma book?
If so, can you pick some random pages that show it?

Im not trying to be a hard ass. But some of us are working hard on this

You have zumma? I know you do. So go for it. Rip that sucker out and test it.

You can guide a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Orochi posted by hand on paper like 10 sheets of real spins a couple pages back mogul.......

Post 1323. Page 89. I give him a lot of Credit for that

[mogul397]

"1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬"

To add to my last post

You see 3 repeats within 60 spins. Thats 3 triggers

Thats 17 mini games where betting against previous 3 wins and 3 mini games lose (60 spins 20 mini games)

Then when you lose (3 times) you have your trigger

Thats all mini games won with my tweak

Only way to lose is a triple repeat

So at that hit rate, what would your unit size be?  3 units per hour?

what's the take?  And is that enough?

[Orochi]

Orochi,

Started testing it.. Nice results so far.

Are you using a winning progression or a losing progression?

I am actually testing it with going up the ladder when winning, but do you use your progression when winning or when losing?

Do you bet flat when winning and going up when you lose a bet or the other way?

How do you handle the zero? Do you stop your betting when you get one and wait for another 2x3 or do you continue as usual and just count it as a loss?

In a test I got 3,2,1,0,3,2,1. I started the 3,2,1 betting even if I had a zero in the middle. Is that ok?

Thanks!!

Simon,

This is not valid, i say it must be 2 simetric blocks of 3.
Progression when loosing.
I dont cover zero, if hit count as a loss, i play in single zero wheel.
I keep betting against the trigger until my goal!

[Orochi]

Nice paper tracker lol. At casino i use baccarat card

I see triggers then i see winners


231 bba? You wrote then at the start. Why? Because those were the 2 triggers u had?

Also i notice there were a few uniques. None repeated

Triggers in RED

[mogul397]

Im not trying to be a hard ass. But some of us are working hard on this

You have zumma? I know you do. So go for it. Rip that sucker out and test it.

You can guide a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Orochi posted by hand on paper like 10 sheets of real spins a couple pages back mogul.......

Post 1323. Page 89. I give him a lot of Credit for that

You have the quote wrong. It's "You can lead a horse to water, but
you can't make him THINK".

I had no problem asking someone to justify their statement. I to a lot of
work as well. I just don't trouble people with it. I work it out.
I have muscle memory of what I have seen for decades in number.
You do too, and you have statistics to show how many hundreds or
thousands of spins. I imagine the statistic for this is similar. So the
point is that I won't find them.

It's not like I looked and said "gollie gee. Look at all those set ups" and threw
a bone on the floor here.  And after you agree, you might agree that winning
3 bets and hour at a $5 bet level isn't compelling.

But to go back to the first subject I remember a HG group where you lead people
down bunnie trails. Even if you had to lie to keep them. Now this thread that
seems to never end with a hard conclusion about what "works".

So is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?