Basics - that no one wants to hear

[TurboGenius]

I've been doing this now for over 3 decades - that said...

There are some major problems lately with the mindset of people who work on systems/methods.
From what I've been reading, this almost covers everyone as well - I'm not sure why.

I'm just going to point some things out, probably no one will agree with me - but if you think about it, you'll understand - and if not, 30 years later you'll agree with me lol.

Roulette - where the next spin has nothing to do with the last spin, the numbers aren't pulled from the list of numbers after they show up - not like balls in a lottery machine, each spin is independent from the last.

1) "Trigger"
Waiting for something to happen before betting is a waste of time.
There is no event that somehow signals what the future event will be.

2) "Virtual bets"
"NOT" betting for whatever reason, and then trying to use that info on future
spins is a waste of time. If you have a system/method that works - by "not" betting -
you are losing out on winning spins. If your system/method doesn't work, then you
are only prolonging the time that it loses. There's no value in "not betting", this falls into
the same boat as triggers. So "not losing" because you didn't bet on a virtual spin isn't winning.
And not winning because you were not betting on a spin where you would have won is
also not winning, it's a waste of time.

3) "Leaving the casino/table after 'x' happens"
Stopping and leaving the casino when "X" happens - either in profit or loss, or some event happens
doesn't change the long-term. A player who goes into a casino using this type of play can keep a total of their spins over a year, while player "B" can play the same number of spins nonstop and they will have equal results. The next spin after your 'rule' tells you to stop and leave could be the one that puts your loss back into a profit, or vice-versa. So nothing is accomplished.
"If you're ahead - stop" is probably the best advice. or "If you've lost your bankroll, go home".
But some "trigger" that happens and you feel it's time to stop or change tables - simply isn't logical.
By stopping and leaving, you can prolong a loss or prevent a further win - both don't change because you stop and come back next week.

These are just the first 3 obvious ones that recently seem to appear in every method, and I understand that those who believe in them won't just stop thinking that way but I'm telling you that you have to change how you look at the game.
Roulette is a math game, it's as simple as that.
Math - doesn't change in any way whatsoever - triggers, virtual play, stop loss/leaving doesn't change math - nor does anything else you can come up with when it comes to creative bet amounts or timing your play.

I'm not anti-system, I'm just the opposite - but people should know that this is math, nothing more.
The house edge is there regardless of 1, 2 or 3 above (and others) and that can't be avoided unless you understand math and how it can be used in your favor regardless of the edge the house has. None of the 3 above help with that.

Thanks for reading.

[Priyanka]

     A good ole turbo post. 

[NextYear]

To be continued... ?!

[ego]

I don't agree with everything.

Yes each trail is independent, but we have odds and statistics and we can measuring the random flow using math.
I think that we can define the worst and extreme and bet against it using simulations with statistics.

For example 6.0 SD with even money bets has not happen during several million simulations.
Then i don't see that as limit as all world records can be broken.
But i see it as benchmark or value that i play against in the short run and have very good odds to win during my game, as i would be extremely unlucky if i would experience 6.0 SD.
So here i can use "trigger" to overcome 6.0 SD.

The down side is that you will bet less and slow down the game.
The up side is that you will probably never experience the worst and extreme to be beaten with new record.

Cheers

[MrJ]

I agree with all 3 and have posted against all 3. However, my views just like this thread, will go unnoticed and kicked to the side.  All 3 points are very correct. The thing you left out Turbo were a few of the crazy progressions.

Not talking up or down with unit sizes, more like this >>
1 3 7 14 22 35 49 65 80 103 128 157 309 552 794 1098 1659 etc etc. UNPLAYABLE situations.

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

Eh. Theres two sides to every coin

Triggers CAN win a lot of money

IF YOU CAN find an event that happens on average in a certain amount of time you can wait for that event to happen

take one tastes 1 2 3 dozens. We see this occur once every 100 spins

You can wait and that can be your trigger. And you will win

Triggers can work if you exploit a rare event

[RouletteGhost]

Saying a trigger cant work is a broad statement. Wait for that rare event...

[GLC]

Can one of the mods please delete this topic?  It's obvious Turbo is trying to stop all reasons for posting on this forum. 

I think he must be working for one or more casinos who are losing too much money to the members of this forum.  Or maybe he's working for another roulette forum.  Probably in cahoots with the Wizard of Odds or something.

I'm switching to Keno.  I've come up with a very, very clever progression that is guaranteed to overcome the house edge.

GLC

P.S.  Tongue in cheek so please no PM's.

[RouletteGhost]

Can one of the mods please delete this topic?  It's obvious Turbo is trying to stop all reasons for posting on this forum. 

I think he must be working for one or more casinos who are losing too much money to the members of this forum.  Or maybe he's working for another roulette forum.  Probably in cahoots with the Wizard of Odds or something.

I'm switching to Keno.  I've come up with a very, very clever progression that is guaranteed to overcome the house edge.

GLC

P.S.  Tongue in cheek so please no PM's.

All respect to turbo

I love some of his systems

But GLC is right. If we do these 3 steps there wouldnt be a roulette forum

[MrJ]

I never know when GLC is joking (lol). This thread is 100% accurate. I agree with it so does that mean I also am working for a casino? Listen, I did all of these items (and more not listed) years ago.

The OLDER members know of my past threads/posts. The most extreme I can do is....up units on wins and/or down units on a loss etc. but not HUGE progressions. I dont agree with switching tables and that is NOT the same as quitting for the day (having a bad day).

I do like SOME (not all) cancellation methods and SOME (not all) methods based on EVENT betting. I said it before, we are either betting on already hit numbers (for whatever reason) OR we are betting on unhit numbers (for whatever reason), I dont see much of a grey area on this.

Your BR should equal at least TWO of your GROSS wins. Betting $10 units? You need at least $700 as a BR. (this is my opinion mind you based on YEARS of playing)....and for God's sake, stop betting on 27 numbers.

Ken

[ddarko]

I said it before, we are either betting on already hit numbers (for whatever reason) OR we are betting on unhit numbers (for whatever reason), I dont see much of a grey area on this.

and for God's sake, stop betting on 27 numbers.

I don't agree on that Ken, how about a "nothing is ever due" mantra ? I don't know what's coming next or when a bet is going to start or stop being hot.....

& re 27 numbers, that's 2 Ec's, which gives you a chance to break even for a while, when things aren't going
all you way......

@turbo

nice to see you posting here 

[RouletteGhost]

I think the trigger thing is 100 percent wrong

Yes. Past spins dont affect future spins

But you can capitalize on a rare event

[MrJ]

Give me an example or two how this is not correct >> I said it before, we are either betting on already hit numbers (for whatever reason) OR we are betting on unhit numbers (for whatever reason).

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

It depends on the trigger

2 comes then 3 comes bet against 4 coming next

Dozen 1 2 3 shows then 3 2 1 shows bet against 1 2 3

Rare event. If the trigger is a rare event it has merit

2 3 then 4? Good trigger

[RouletteGhost]

It comes down to how good is the trigger

If the trigger is 2 reds now bet black you aree gonna habe a bad time