Basics - that no one wants to hear

[TurboGenius]

"Also its makes sense to use triggers and virtual bets , why not use enter and exit points
from real play ? Why i should bet each spin? to lose more than win ?  Why not try to avoid bad runs and win more then lose ?"

I won't argue about facts - it is what it is.
After coding systems (my own and others) in RX, adding entry points, adding exit points, adding virtual bets, etc - it's simply the truth that none of those 3 I mentioned change the outcome - not even 1%.
Should you bet every spin ? Yes.

The word "past" and the phrase "past spins" should be forgotten.
To win at roulette you have to win the current bet and future ones.
Once you figure this out you'll do much better.

If your car was driving in "random" directions - would your "map" have any meaning ?
You couldn't look at it and see where you've been and determine where the car was going
to go next - it's random.
You couldn't park it and wait for 12:15pm and then drive because your method says that at that specific time you'll know what direction it's going to go - the car will still go in a random direction.
If you get out and let it drive on it's own - the car will still do the same thing (laughs).
It's a good analogy, think of it like that maybe.
Make bets on where you think the car might go and forget about where you've been.
If not, then just wait and at some point you'll come to the same truths that I have.

[button]

The word "past" and the phrase "past spins" should be forgotten.
To win at roulette you have to win the current bet and future ones.
Once you figure this out you'll do much better.

Make bets on where you think the car might go and forget about where you've been.

Past spins give you the pattern so that you can work out where you might be going.  Patterns occur in Roulette just like in nature all the time.

[MrJ]

"but i follow events that i know will occur" >> I agree.

Ken

[ddarko]

"but i follow events that i know will occur" >> I agree.

Ken

Can you give an example of that pls Ken ?

thxs 

[MrJ]

New thread of mine.....

Ken

[GLC]

It's obvious Turbo is right.  After all he's a genius!  Well, not really.

The fact is that you can't win playing roulette unless you get lucky.  Any bet you want to make is as good as any other bet someone else makes.  I used to think that having a system of play increased my chances of winning over someone who made random bets based on hunches, like my brother prefers.  Fact is he's way ahead of me in roulette.  Just plain ole dumb luck.

Lately, I seem to be trying to prove to him that systematic play is superior to willy-nilly play, but I haven't been able to pull it off so far.  My graph for time invested in roulette is a bell curve and I'm well into the lower right side of the bell.   You could say my bell's been rung.

GLC

[TurboGenius]

It's obvious Turbo is right.  After all he's a genius!  Well, not really.
GLC

Actually yes - really.

""Past spins give you the pattern so that you can work out where you might be going.  Patterns occur in Roulette just like in nature all the time.""

I'd love to agree with you but that would go against fact.
It does sound nice though.
Patterns are in the past and can be shown only after they happen
Red, Red, Red, Black, Red is a pattern yes, but it already happened.
The next spin is either Red or Black based on that individual spin that is about to happen.

I'll bow out of the thread, if anyone thinks that the 3 things I posted are wrong then you'll notice eventually in your own play and research/testing that I'm right... I'm just trying to save some years of work for you. The answer isn't in any of those 3 things.

[button]

Patterns on some bets can be accurately predicted after watching 3-5 spins, depending on the pattern you can be almost guaranteed they will continue.  With experience you learn to catch the changes then you have a consistant winner. 

This happens all the time, most gamblers just don't notice.  You have to learn to watch for the changes and catch them as they occur.  It takes practice and hard work, not something that can be taught easily.  Most just don't have the patience to learn to read the patterns.  It takes hours and hours of practice.

[Kattila]

*** I'm just trying to save some years of work for you.***

I  thank you for your intention , really, i respect your experience in this game , but i know what i am doing right now ,
and belive me past spins help me and others to take good decisions. Very important also is the bet selection.

cheers

[TurboGenius]

""and belive me past spins help me and others to take good decisions.""

No worries, like I said - in some far off distant future it all becomes clear.

[Turner]

The problem is that an event seems to be rare when it isn't. It's only how you see it.
If the spins come out #21, #21, #21, #21 - you could post the math showing this is a rare event.
BUT - it's exactly the same odds as seeing #21, #0, #13, #2 - which in your mind looks random and
not a rare event at all. So if you wait for #21, #21, #21 - the odds of the next spin being #21 is exactly the same as the next spin being #2 (from both examples). I hope this helps.

Turbo, agreed but no one listens. No one listened when I said the exact same thing here (apart from Ken)
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16053.msg140388#msg140388

[button]

Correct me if I am wrong. 

What TurboGenius and Turner are saying here is that you only win if you are lucky, there is no way to know when you are going to win and nothing that happens happens for a reason.

[MrJ]

We still have the *CONTROL* to leave when we want, the casino has NO say over that.

Do we leave when up by a small percent? Do we keep playing until three months of BRs are wiped out? I HIGHLY believe that there are SMARTER bets (very open to arguing I guess) but in terms of BETTER times or better tables or better casinos to play? I say no (imo).

Ken

[Proofreaders2000]

SMARTER Bets-Mr. J

Guys, you've got to see Roulette as a Rubik's Cube
one solution many ways to get to it some faster some slower. (imo)

[nottophammer]

The cube or the piece of string that roulette has been liken to,has been solved by Winkel,the 0x's, 1x's and >1,the answer lies in the riddle of the TROT