Basics - that no one wants to hear

[Blood Angel]

Unless we're talking about "hidden math". Where's Wendell when you need him?

LOL!!

[Tomla021]

i want Wendal and his alternate dimensions back also

[Tamino]

Tomla,


If you mean Wendell from GG ?    Then  ROFLMAO.   This cat was a candidate for the cuckoo`s nest.

[RouletteGhost]

Alternate dimensions do exist....scientists know this. Paralel universes etcetra

We are talking over a 12 dimensional universe

[Tomla021]

yup tamino-same guy---he was iceman something here
I talked to him on phone one time ---(and then they led him away for sedation lol)

[TurboGenius]

Nice to see TG still active on the forums. One thing bothers me though (actually, more than one, but for now, let's call it one): how can "math beat a math game" when the math of the game says the game can't be beat?

Math is math. And a theorem, once proved, can't be unproved. Turbo said so himself, so it must be true 

Unless we're talking about "hidden math". Where's Wendell when you need him?

Nice to see you too.
Wendell ? Yikes. I had pushed that name out of my memory. Laughs
The "hidden math" topic went on for way too long back in those days

[3Nine]

Well, I wouldn't suggest that specifically - but close.
You could have a 2-5 split bet and 5 shows up - you remove 2 and then 2 shows up 10 times in the next 100 spins and 5 doesn't.
So instead - try this out..

(bear with me, I might sound insane)
Play all 12 numbers (I'll use dozen 1 since I always sit next to the wheel and the first dozen is
the easiest to reach from there.) 1 unit each.
Each time you have a win, add 1 unit to it - leave the others alone.
Do this for 2-3 (3 is better but 2 can be more playable) cycles of 38 spins.
(37 spins if you're using the Euro wheel - for my explanation I'm using my 38 slot wheel)
So (I'll use 2) cycles are over - remove 1 unit from each number.
Continue on for the next cycle - adding to the winners, after 38 remove 1 from each.
What this does is keep your bets on any number (in the section that you're playing) that
is hitting at or above 1 standard deviation.
It also keeps the total being bet on the table pretty level at all times.
There's no "out of control" progression - if anything it's a positive progression.
Say a number you're playing shows 9 times - you have quite a nice bankroll from that
number alone.
If a number gets hot and then starts now showing - you'll be removing bets from it and hence
in time it won't be played anymore. If a number stays hot and increases - you will have won
every single time it showed up since you're playing it from the start.
Is this perfect ? HELL no - but it's a start for your testing if you're interested in this.
Does it always win ?
Hmm.... I have yet to test it and not been in profit along the way.
I'll knock one out on RNG in RX and post the chart "whatever happens".
Hope it's a better 'hint' and you can build on it as I have.
Cheers

Color me intrigued.  I still think this is using "past" spins but I'm going to play this 2 ways:

12# Pinwheel, 3 cycles.  Nothing wrong with the dozen but like the idea of even distribution around the wheel.

9# Nuke Quad of choice, 4 cycles.

We'll see what happens.

[TurboGenius]

Color me intrigued.  I still think this is using "past" spins but I'm going to play this 2 ways:

It's actually not - when you sit at the wheel and start you're not looking at any past spins or history.
The only 'past spins' are the ones that you played and contained in your playing history - you don't use what's already happened before you started playing to decide what to do.

[3Nine]

It's actually not - when you sit at the wheel and start you're not looking at any past spins or history.
The only 'past spins' are the ones that you played and contained in your playing history - you don't use what's already happened before you started playing to decide what to do.

I agree, but once you reduce your selection or increase your bets you're doing this based on past results, right?  Also, isn't thinking in terms of cycles a glorified stop loss?  Or, do you just get up and go whenever?  Just thinking out loud here before the coffee kicks in. 

[TurboGenius]

I agree, but once you reduce your selection or increase your bets you're doing this based on past results, right?  Also, isn't thinking in terms of cycles a glorified stop loss?  Or, do you just get up and go whenever?  Just thinking out loud here before the coffee kicks in.

"eh it's one of those things I suppose it's how you look at it.
The numbers coming in while you're playing can be looked at as past spins once they happen.
My definition for the sake of "past spins have no value" is meant to mean when you sit down and start playing your session. Looking at the past results before you started won't change a thing when it comes to whatever you choose to play currently. Of course if I'm standing there watching you bet - I'm seeing you betting on results from past spins - but if I sit down and start using your past spins info, it won't help me win.
A stop-loss to me is something people work into systems/methods that is strict -
When you reach 'x' - stop. Or when you are down 'x' - stop, or when 'x' happens, do 'y'.
None of those make a difference in the math of the game. RX and people who program sessions
in code can tell you that putting in all of these variables results in the exact same result as not using them.
If you do something that always gets you into a profit situation for the session - then stop.
It's not about stopping when 'x' happens in order to avoid going negative, it's about stopping when
you are in profit. This concept only works when you have something that will always place you into profit. If you have a session from hell and pull out - then stop... someone else might have had a stop-loss point during your drawdown and they would never had pulled out from it.
When your in the positive - you can choose when to stop. For whatever reason you want - it won't matter because you're ahead and not digging out from a hole or trying to stop yourself from losing some pre-determined amount of units.

[RouletteGhost]

I think wayyyyy too much time is being spent on something that doesnt even matter

If the method works and wins money who the hell cares if you use recent spins OR if you just sit down and pay no mind to recent spins

Geez

[TurboGenius]

I think wayyyyy too much time is being spent on something that doesnt even matter

But it does - because EVERY method that has ever been tested that uses past spins for reference has failed. Therefore going down that road is the true waste of time.

[MrJ]

Interesting in regards to the definition, I will say that. Makes me think a bit more. (hears echo in head)

I have a great 3 number method that uses nothing from the history board but per session, whatever is happening in the NOW, is what my method is based off of. So could we say, during a session, no numbers are past numbers? In other words, I really dont care what happened an hour ago.

Ken

[TurboGenius]

Interesting in regards to the definition, I will say that. Makes me think a bit more. (hears echo in head)

I have a great 3 number method that uses nothing from the history board but per session, whatever is happening in the NOW, is what my method is based off of. So could we say, during a session, no numbers are past numbers? In other words, I really dont care what happened an hour ago.

Ken

I would say that anything that happened before you started placing bets means nothing.
What happened while you were playing and betting - is the now - your session of play. What happened before that isn't relevant or useful to deciding how to play when you start.
I know people don't agree - hence the name of the thread
But eventually everyone will agree, they just need to find out for themselves.

[MrJ]

Off to the casino, later fellas!!!

Ken