KTF

[Gzgzbee]

Notto,

Are the results of post games you have played for real money!

As I believe in one of your post you say you don't actually play the live wheel game!?

[nottophammer]

Correct i dont actually play on J247.com, i used it as the experts say airball is a live spin, to show how just betting the non-hit can make 50/+50.
Yesterdays 70 mile round trip to the B+M, KTF did the job.
But on RNG different story, from 2007 i've had to adapt betting just non-hit. Make a change to the progression, works fine for sometime,then start to lose, back to the drawing board, get avg to hit and max to hit, works fine ,then overtime start to become hard to win.
Now its come to the point if start to KTF, repeats start end 4,-1, if start to just watch,cheap spin then the non-hit fly in.
Like spins 11-20 ends 9,+4, so if 1-10 was 10/10 19 non-hit, what is it avg, 15 non-hit in 30 spins and 9 in 10 spins, so repeats, no if go for repeat, get 5/6 more non-hit, RNG.
So B+M i've got to go, the rng  just learns, or the programmers learn to make you lose.
The manager of a shop said one of their best punters made a point, left off just 1# and in 6 spins it hit that 1# 4 times, does make you wonder, Turner will love that, the littleblack box in the machine 

[Gzgzbee]

Soo your only playing KFT in a real Casino!?

Also did you say you have been playing this method from 2007?

Thanks

[nottophammer]

29.5.16 KTF +51

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 7 37
2 6 36
3 4 35
4 35 34
5 3 33
6 4 R 32
7 34 32
8 35 R 31
9 36 31
10 29 30
11 20 29 1 7 7
12 29 R 28 1 -28 -21
13 14 28 2 16 -5
14 28 27 1 9 4
15 28 R 26 1 -26 -22
16 23 26 2 20 -2
17 5 25 1 11 9
18 30 24 1 12 21
19 29 R 23 1 -23 -2
20 11 23 2 26 24
21 14 R 22 1 -22 2
22 26 22 2 28 30
23 4 R 21 1 -21 9
24 24 21 2 30 39
25 11 R 20 1 -20 19
26 21 20 2 32 51
27 13 19 1 17 68
28 1 18 1 18 86
29 2 17 1 19 105
30 34 R 16 1 -16 89
31 2 R 16 2 -32 57
32 35 R 16 3 -48 9
33 17 16 4 80 89
34 9 15 3 63 152
35 5 R 14 2 -28 124
36 5 R 14 3 -42 82
37 24 R 14 4 -56 26
38 30 R 14 5 -70 -44
39 14 R 14 6 -84 -128
40 13 R 14 7 -98 -226
41 13 R 14 8 -112 -338
42 20 R 14 9 -126 -464
43 10 14 10 220 -244
44 10 R 13 9 -117 -361
45 21 R 13 10 -130 -491
46 29 R 13 11 -143 -634
47 12 13 12 276 -358
48 16 12 11 264 -94
49 27 11 10 250 156
50 16 R 10 9 -90 66
51 23 R 10 10 -100 -34
52 15 10 11 286 252
53 16 R 9 10 -90 162
54 36 R 9 11 -99 63
55 31 9 12 324 387
56 24 R 8 11 -88 299
57 29 R 8 12 -96 203
58 18 8 13 364 567
59 19 7 12 348 915
60 5 R 6 11 -66 849


[nottophammer]

30.5.16 KTF +54

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 28 37
2 31 36
3 25 35
4 9 34
5 0 33
6 22 32
7 22 R 31
8 14 31
9 11 30
10 17 29
11 27 28 1 8 8
12 19 27 1 9 17
13 23 26 1 10 27
14 20 25 1 11 38
15 19 R 24 1 -24 14
16 27 R 24 2 -48 -34
17 21 24 3 36 2
18 27 R 23 2 -46 -44
19 34 23 3 39 -5
20 33 22 2 28 23
21 15 21 1 15 38
22 32 20 1 16 54
23 24 19 1 17 71
24 12 18 1 18 89
25 21 R 17 1 -17 72
26 29 17 2 38 110
27 30 16 1 20 130
28 9 R 15 1 -15 115
29 7 15 2 42 157
30 27 R 14 1 -14 143
31 33 R 14 2 -28 115
32 34 R 14 3 -42 73
33 19 R 14 4 -56 17
34 30 R 14 5 -70 -53
35 28 R 14 6 -84 -137
36 31 R 14 7 -98 -235
37 14 R 14 8 -112 -347
38 8 14 9 198 -149
39 30 R 13 8 -104 -253
40 5 13 9 207 -46
41 35 12 8 192 146
42 1 11 7 175 321
43 36 10 6 156 477
44 19 R 9 5 -45 432
45 6 9 6 162 594
46 12 R 8 5 -40 554
47 18 8 6 168 722
48 16 7 5 145 867
49 3 6 4 120 987
50 34 R 5 3 -15 972
51 3 R 5 4 -20 952
52 13 5 5 155 1107
53 17 R 4 4 -16 1091
54 7 R 4 5 -20 1071
55 26 4 6 192 1263
56 4 3 5 165 1428
57 31 R 2 4 -8 1420
58 9 R 2 5 -10 1410
59 4 R 2 6 -12 1398
60 33 R 2 7 -14 1384

Today 35 of the 37#'s hit in 60spins. Spin 69 #10 so just 1# left, #2
Whilst marking off the non-hit Psimoes cross roads looks like it would profit.

[nottophammer]

I delayed in posting and as usual only Celtic showed interest.
As i was taking the #'s i could see it was going to be a tough game and this does make you keep the faith.

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 4 37
2 30 36
3 10 35
4 10 R 34
5 2 34
6 13 33
7 7 32
8 20 31
9 11 30
10 25 29
11 35 28 1 8 8
12 13 R 27 1 -27 -19
13 28 27 2 18 -1
14 11 R 26 1 -26 -27
15 35 R 26 2 -52 -79
16 10 R 26 3 -78 -157
17 1 26 4 40 -117
18 28 R 25 3 -75 -192
19 11 R 25 4 -100 -292
20 5 25 5 55 -237
21 33 24 4 48 -189
22 1 R 23 3 -69 -258
23 18 23 4 52 -206
24 16 22 3 42 -164
25 19 21 2 30 -134
26 13 R 20 1 -20 -154
27 28 R 20 2 -40 -194
28 13 R 20 3 -60 -254
29 17 20 4 64 -190
30 34 19 3 51 -139
31 10 R 18 2 -36 -175
32 30 R 18 3 -54 -229
33 34 R 18 4 -72 -301
34 0 18 5 90 -211
35 28 R 17 4 -68 -279
36 5 R 17 5 -85 -364
37 11 R 17 6 -102 -466
38 7 R 17 7 -119 -585
39 18 R 17 8 -136 -721
40 21 17 9 171 -550
41 27 16 8 160 -390
42 2 R 15 7 -105 -495
43 36 15 8 168 -327
44 0 R 14 7 -98 -425
45 4 R 14 8 -112 -537
46 12 14 9 198 -339
47 1 R 13 8 -104 -443
48 0 R 13 9 -117 -560
49 21 R 13 10 -130 -690
50 26 13 11 253 -437
51 22 12 10 240 -197
52 24 11 9 225 28
53 29 10 8 208 236
54 23 9 7 189 425
55 11 R 8 6 -48 377
56 35 R 8 7 -56 321
57 1 R 8 8 -64 257
58 10 R 8 9 -72 185
59 36 R 8 10 -80 105
60 32 8 11 308 413


[Gzgzbee]

It's seems like if you always just play the 60 spin you make 100+

[spartanrules]

Notto

On this particular game you talk about ktf.
Looking at the table theres no where in this play where you could win. Its a loss from the on set basically. Have i missed something here.? Please correct me if Im incorrect.
Once you are deep in the hole it really is a massive struggle to gain anything from it.
Personally i see if you are not in profit by spin 30 its getting more risky by each spin. Personally its 2-5 spins and exit.

Thanks

I delayed in posting and as usual only Celtic showed interest.
As i was taking the #'s i could see it was going to be a tough game and this does make you keep the faith.

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 4 37
2 30 36
3 10 35
4 10 R 34
5 2 34
6 13 33
7 7 32
8 20 31
9 11 30
10 25 29
11 35 28 1 8 8
12 13 R 27 1 -27 -19
13 28 27 2 18 -1
14 11 R 26 1 -26 -27
15 35 R 26 2 -52 -79
16 10 R 26 3 -78 -157
17 1 26 4 40 -117
18 28 R 25 3 -75 -192
19 11 R 25 4 -100 -292
20 5 25 5 55 -237
21 33 24 4 48 -189
22 1 R 23 3 -69 -258
23 18 23 4 52 -206
24 16 22 3 42 -164
25 19 21 2 30 -134
26 13 R 20 1 -20 -154
27 28 R 20 2 -40 -194
28 13 R 20 3 -60 -254
29 17 20 4 64 -190
30 34 19 3 51 -139
31 10 R 18 2 -36 -175
32 30 R 18 3 -54 -229
33 34 R 18 4 -72 -301
34 0 18 5 90 -211
35 28 R 17 4 -68 -279
36 5 R 17 5 -85 -364
37 11 R 17 6 -102 -466
38 7 R 17 7 -119 -585
39 18 R 17 8 -136 -721
40 21 17 9 171 -550
41 27 16 8 160 -390
42 2 R 15 7 -105 -495
43 36 15 8 168 -327
44 0 R 14 7 -98 -425
45 4 R 14 8 -112 -537
46 12 14 9 198 -339
47 1 R 13 8 -104 -443
48 0 R 13 9 -117 -560
49 21 R 13 10 -130 -690
50 26 13 11 253 -437
51 22 12 10 240 -197
52 24 11 9 225 28
53 29 10 8 208 236
54 23 9 7 189 425
55 11 R 8 6 -48 377
56 35 R 8 7 -56 321
57 1 R 8 8 -64 257
58 10 R 8 9 -72 185
59 36 R 8 10 -80 105
60 32 8 11 308 413


[Celticknits]

Notto

On this particular game you talk about ktf.
Looking at the table theres no where in this play where you could win. Its a loss from the on set basically. Have i missed something here.? Please correct me if Im incorrect.

Not sure how you can say this loses when the payout table is right in front of you.

Once you are deep in the hole it really is a massive struggle to gain anything from it.
--- Agreed but that is why it is called KTF

Personally i see if you are not in profit by spin 30 its getting more risky by each spin. Personally its 2-5 spins and exit.

--- If you play less than 60 spins then you are not following the KTF rules and therefore not playing KTF. By playing only 2-5 spins you are again changing the rules so you are not playing KTF.

I made several thousand dollars with KTF before they changed the wheel at my B&M and now the new replacement wheels do not allow enough time to place bets or else I would still be playing it. I only lost once and that was because, like you, I changed a rule and quit before the full 60 spins had been played. I quit with a -8 loss but would have ended up in profit if I had continued as I should have.

I think in most cases people want to play KTF but look for a way to play it with a small BR  --- That is a BIG MISTAKE!!!

-Celtic

Thanks

[Celticknits]

-Notto

For those that will not read prior postings in this tread would you please answer two questions:

1) How many Jackpot games of KTF have been played?
2) How many games have been lost??

Thank You.

-Celtic

[spartanrules]

Hi Celticknits

Perhaps im miss reading the table.
On what spin from that game is the profit and exit point please.

Thanks in advance

[Celticknits]

Hi Celticknits

Perhaps im miss reading the table.
On what spin from that game is the profit and exit point please.

Thanks in advance

-Spartan

NOTE: At the top of the chart the header does not line up with the numbers.
The last figure (Bank) is your current profit or loss.

First win is +8 on Spin 1
Then Wins on all Spins 52-60.
This is all shown right on the scrolling sheet Notto posted and why I could not understand why you stated that it loses when clearly it wins.

Exit point, according to the KTF rules, would be spin 53 and profit would be +236.

Go back through the posts in this thread and find the rules.
I believe at one point Notto even posted a pdf or text file with the rules.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Spartan Today's #'s KTF +60 shown with Priyankas tester

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 22 37
2 11 36
3 11 R 35
4 2 35
5 20 34
6 11 R 33
7 11 R 33
8 28 33
9 0 32
10 9 31
11 34 30 1 6 6
12 7 29 1 7 13
13 30 28 1 8 21
14 15 27 1 9 30
15 11 R 26 1 -26 4
16 33 26 2 20 24
17 6 25 1 11 35
18 29 24 1 12 47
19 16 23 1 13 60
20 34 R 22 1 -22 38
21 8 22 2 28 66
22 4 21 1 15 81
23 35 20 1 16 97
24 36 19 1 17 114
25 11 R 18 1 -18 96
26 7 R 18 2 -36 60
27 21 18 3 54 114
28 17 17 2 38 152
29 19 16 1 20 172
30 23 15 1 21 193
31 0 R 14 1 -14 179
32 34 R 14 2 -28 151
33 10 14 3 66 217
34 17 R 13 2 -26 191
35 27 13 3 69 260
36 0 R 12 2 -24 236
37 9 R 12 3 -36 200
38 5 12 4 96 296
39 23 R 11 3 -33 263
40 23 R 11 4 -44 219
41 35 R 11 5 -55 164
42 20 R 11 6 -66 98
43 28 R 11 7 -77 21
44 11 R 11 8 -88 -67
45 26 11 9 225 158
46 29 R 10 8 -80 78
47 13 10 9 234 312
48 10 R 9 8 -72 240
49 12 9 9 243 483
50 21 R 8 8 -64 419
51 31 8 9 252 671
52 36 R 7 8 -56 615
53 2 R 7 9 -63 552
54 26 R 7 10 -70 482
55 26 R 7 11 -77 405
56 35 R 7 12 -84 321
57 35 R 7 13 -91 230
58 17 R 7 14 -98 132
59 26 R 7 15 -105 27
60 23 R 7 16 -112 -85


[nottophammer]

Chancer sent these 60 spins from Multiplayer roulette game

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 27 37
2 34 36
3 25 35
4 27 R 34
5 32 34
6 28 33
7 13 32
8 20 31
9 3 30
10 29 29
11 33 28 1 8 8
12 28 R 27 1 -27 -19
13 31 27 2 18 -1
14 24 26 1 10 9
15 20 R 25 1 -25 -16
16 21 25 2 22 6
17 26 24 1 12 18
18 22 23 1 13 31
19 19 22 1 14 45
20 20 R 21 1 -21 24
21 33 R 21 2 -42 -18
22 26 R 21 3 -63 -81
23 17 21 4 60 -21
24 8 20 3 48 27
25 30 19 2 34 61
26 14 18 1 18 79
27 12 17 1 19 98
28 31 R 16 1 -16 82
29 11 16 2 40 122
30 35 15 1 21 143
31 23 14 1 22 165
32 9 13 1 23 188
33 2 12 1 24 212
34 8 R 11 1 -11 201
35 3 R 11 2 -22 179
36 25 R 11 3 -33 146
37 33 R 11 4 -44 102
38 19 R 11 5 -55 47
39 23 R 11 6 -66 -19
40 16 11 7 175 156
41 14 R 10 6 -60 96
42 9 R 10 7 -70 26
43 9 R 10 8 -80 -54
44 7 10 9 234 180
45 0 9 8 216 396
46 6 8 7 196 592
47 18 7 6 174 766
48 27 R 6 5 -30 736
49 13 R 6 6 -36 700
50 3 R 6 7 -42 658
51 13 R 6 8 -48 610
52 16 R 6 9 -54 556
53 20 R 6 10 -60 496
54 10 6 11 330 826
55 33 R 5 10 -50 776
56 12 R 5 11 -55 721
57 31 R 5 12 -60 661
58 1 5 13 403 1064
59 26 R 4 12 -48 1016
60 10 R 4 13 -52 964

Said its like express roulette, who'd ever want to have too place bets in that short time, made me chuckle 

[spartanrules]

Hi Celticknits

Im fine with the ktf rules.

I was reading the table wrong due to the off lining of the columns. Hence why i couldn't work out where the profit gains were.
As always appreciate the input guys.
Im currently on the ktf journey and will report updates on hopefully decent profit gains.

Question - Do any of you play this with any certain preferences. What i mean is say wait for a repeat before betting, or a dealer change etc. Every half an hour is a dealer change.
Or you literally just hit a table record the last or current 10 spins and in you go as it makes no odds what so ever.

Thanks Spartan

-Spartan

NOTE: At the top of the chart the header does not line up with the numbers.
The last figure (Bank) is your current profit or loss.

First win is +8 on Spin 1
Then Wins on all Spins 52-60.
This is all shown right on the scrolling sheet Notto posted and why I could not understand why you stated that it loses when clearly it wins.

Exit point, according to the KTF rules, would be spin 53 and profit would be +236.

Go back through the posts in this thread and find the rules.
I believe at one point Notto even posted a pdf or text file with the rules.

-Celtic