KTF

[nottophammer]

Now i've bought Jackpot joy avg doc up todate.
Why is the Avg doc so useful,
1 it gives the avg for non hit to come in
2 it shows max spin for the non hit to come in.
3 This is your part, how you bet.

What about, you do the waiting game, you just watch how the non hit repeat.    So to day 11th spin 10th non hit, now your just watching,playing GUT really, now next spin repeat, next spin repeat.
What does avg doc say for the 11th non hit. Yesterday max 3 spins, avg to hit 1.392,(2), so now a decision,its missed the avg 2, its max is 3, so if you bet you lose today, but the bet is not over you can increase the units, in the betting shop i could increase the unit to 4, and win.
But tomorrow you have to remember its max is now 4 spins.

Its just nice to know non hits avg and max.
Another example of the waiting game i'd hope not to be betting in spins 51-70 i'd like to have made the units and be in another shop.
The 30th non hit is in at spin 50. Now what is max for the 31st non hit, 13 yesterday, avg 4.185 (5) spins. Now your watching, 5 spins come and its not in, we know the max and avg, so its missed its avg, so now its will the max increase? Now on RNG i can bet those 7 non hit for 20 spins, depending on where your playing, how does the increment of chips work, with 5 spins gone a possible 8 more spins, so do you bet or wait some more.

Well it took 13 spins, its max in the doc.

Its just another way to watch the game.

[nottophammer]

Why build an avg doc it helps me with KTF and the trot. I can't wait to get to 100 games, why

Well the average over the 100 cells is a static average calculated at a single entry point (the end of the data run in this case) whereas an average taken after collection of 100+1 cells and recalculate the average after dropping the very first cell is a dynamic average function of your cells, and show better and clearer the distribution movement of the data.
Very different results 

The paragraph above is from Chrisbis, thanks.
So i'll keep on building past the 100 games,but also just have a changing 100 games, and then compare the 2.
Will the avg change much,i dont know, but he who waits.

[RouletteGhost]

im going through zumma checkin out those "repeaters"

the more i see this the more i see KTF works well also

wait for 10 hits, bet the other 26 numbers with a +1 -1

only way to really lose big is if its repeater after repeater, which doesnt happen either

good work man

i see absolutely no reason why this method is not good to have in the arsenal

as Tamino says, if u want to dance you have to pay the fiddler

[nottophammer]

jackpotjoy 247.com  KTF +29 #9

Thought i'd show the sheet today as when recording the spins to the sheet,like denzie could see that this was going to be a hard win.

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 27 36
2 17 35
3 17 r
4 5 34
5 25 33
6 13 32
7 1 31
8 13 r
9 33 30 stake
10 15 29 non-hit return
11 33 r 1 29 0 -29
12 16 28 2 58 72 -15
13 7 27 1 28 36 -7
14 22 26 1 27 36 2
15 25 r 1 26 0 -24
16 8 25 2 52 72 -4
17 24 24 1 25 36 7
18 17 r 1 24 0 -17
19 35 23 2 48 72 7
20 5 r 1 23 0 -16
21 25 r 2 46 0 -62
22 5 r 3 69 0 -131
23 0 22 4 92 144 -79
24 16 r 3 66 0 -145
25 34 21 4 88 144 -89
26 15 r 3 63 0 -152
27 33 r 4 84 0 -236
28 28 20 5 105 180 -161
29 2 19 4 80 144 -97
30 6 18 3 57 108 -46
31 34 r 2 36 0 -82
32 7 r 3 54 0 -136
33 13 r 4 72 0 -208
34 3 17 5 90 180 -118
35 15 r 4 68 0 -186
36 31 16 5 85 180 -91
37 0 r 4 64 0 -155
38 11 15 5 80 180 -55
39 9 14 4 60 144 29
40 35 r 3 42 0 -13
41 18 13 4 56 144 75
42 25 r 3
43 26 12 4
44 28 r 3
45 25 r 4
46 29 11 5
47 32 10 4
48 13
49 3
50 27
51 7
52 1
53 7
54 29
55 14
56 5
57 1
58 30
59 32
60 32

61 18
62 10
63 22
64 34
65 31
66 20
67 8


We see its 8/10  so we expect at spin 40 to see 23 non hit have come, the avg, the avg doc, says, 15 in 30 spins, spins 11-40.
Its a repeat, happens but +1, now 2units win. Another 2 wins +2, so we KTF.
Watching the trot and the profit trot at spin 19 we are back to the previous high, i would stop and go to another table/shop, no damage done.
But if you KTF what happens, a rollercoaster ride, look at the prog 3,4,3,4,3,4,5, be better if was 1,2,1,2 that block of repeat is the problem,spin 30 has KTF -46, could walk here only yesterdays winnings gone.

But we want to see KTF,spin 30 is 19 non hit so 4 more needed for the 15 in 30, look at the prog again its like earlier 5,4,5,4, another block of repeats, we've only had a block fo 3 nonhit spins spins 28,29,30.
Spin 31 place 2 units if it had won be nice back to 1 unit, but another block of repeats, you had your chance to be on another wheel, so spin34 is 20th non hit, 3 more in 6 spins for the 15 non hit, well spin 39 has the 23rd non hit the 15, its also +29, STOP.

[denzie]

Hey Notto ,

For me it would be not to bad. I love to see a repeater after our 10 spins. Then I got 3 wins so I probably leave . If for some reason I don't leave. Then I got a repeater again.  Followed by 2 unhits..there I'm really sure I would leave. If I'm around +30 I mostly stop. But I finish each game virtually to see what would happen.

This would be a stressful session though if you kept going.  But no harm in losing a few units though. Can't win them all. Or can we ?



Also we get profit and then dd...again and again.  I would take the little profit at some point and stop. Then think damn that was a hard session but hey ...we made it

[denzie]

Question for all testers. ...

We know on average we get 15/15.
Did someone got more repeaters then unhitters?  I didn't so far.
I'm just curious

[NextYear]

We know on average we get 15/15.

[Celticknits]

Question for all testers. ...

We know on average we get 15/15.
Did someone got more repeaters then unhitters?  I didn't so far.
I'm just curious

Yes, several times, but fortunately it was after I had stopped betting and was just collecting additional numbers for reference and study at home later.

Take a look at nottos numbers for today. The 50-60 column would be a killer if you were betting but there again watching the trot it is warning you before hand that something is coming.

-Celtic

[bbb128]

Now i was a naughty boy at school, when at school,so you will understand i missed out the maths.
With my cse in maths, not O level or A level, so when a math guy throws Z score, what does it mean.

Am i going to sit in the betting shop playing on the machine of death working out Z scores, come on, Roulette is a game of chance.

To me i want something that is simple, not working out formulas, i'll bliss fully play the non hit of the wheel, start with 37, after 10 spins away goes nottop hammer betting the remaining non hit, 5 some times 12 spins later out the door +50 or as near to the +50

LOL Bro .. from SG? playing at RWS or MBS?
i am playing a method that is almost smiliar
i wait for  numbers not to repeat before i start betting on the numbers to repeat

[Celticknits]

jackpotjoy 247.com  KTF +29 #9

Thought i'd show the sheet today as when recording the spins to the sheet,like denzie could see that this was going to be a hard win.

Code Select Expand

spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 27 36
2 17 35
3 17 r
4 5 34
5 25 33
6 13 32
7 1 31
8 13 r
9 33 30 stake
10 15 29 non-hit return
11 33 r 1 29 0 -29
12 16 28 2 58 72 -15
13 7 27 1 28 36 -7
14 22 26 1 27 36 2
15 25 r 1 26 0 -24
16 8 25 2 52 72 -4
17 24 24 1 25 36 7
18 17 r 1 24 0 -17
19 35 23 2 48 72 7
20 5 r 1 23 0 -16
21 25 r 2 46 0 -62
22 5 r 3 69 0 -131
23 0 22 4 92 144 -79
24 16 r 3 66 0 -145
25 34 21 4 88 144 -89
26 15 r 3 63 0 -152
27 33 r 4 84 0 -236
28 28 20 5 105 180 -161
29 2 19 4 80 144 -97
30 6 18 3 57 108 -46
31 34 r 2 36 0 -82
32 7 r 3 54 0 -136
33 13 r 4 72 0 -208
34 3 17 5 90 180 -118
35 15 r 4 68 0 -186
36 31 16 5 85 180 -91
37 0 r 4 64 0 -155
38 11 15 5 80 180 -55
39 9 14 4 60 144 29
40 35 r 3 42 0 -13
41 18 13 4 56 144 75
42 25 r 3
43 26 12 4
44 28 r 3
45 25 r 4
46 29 11 5
47 32 10 4
48 13
49 3
50 27
51 7
52 1
53 7
54 29
55 14
56 5
57 1
58 30
59 32
60 32

61 18
62 10
63 22
64 34
65 31
66 20
67 8


We see its 8/10  so we expect at spin 40 to see 23 non hit have come, the avg, the avg doc, says, 15 in 30 spins, spins 11-40.
Its a repeat, happens but +1, now 2units win. Another 2 wins +2, so we KTF.
Watching the trot and the profit trot at spin 19 we are back to the previous high, i would stop and go to another table/shop, no damage done.
But if you KTF what happens, a rollercoaster ride, look at the prog 3,4,3,4,3,4,5, be better if was 1,2,1,2 that block of repeat is the problem,spin 30 has KTF -46, could walk here only yesterdays winnings gone.

But we want to see KTF,spin 30 is 19 non hit so 4 more needed for the 15 in 30, look at the prog again its like earlier 5,4,5,4, another block of repeats, we've only had a block fo 3 nonhit spins spins 28,29,30.
Spin 31 place 2 units if it had won be nice back to 1 unit, but another block of repeats, you had your chance to be on another wheel, so spin34 is 20th non hit, 3 more in 6 spins for the 15 non hit, well spin 39 has the 23rd non hit the 15, its also +29, STOP.

WOW we have not seen a tough on like this in a while but it is still doable.
You may not win much but you at least you did not bust out.

Look at the count summation after 20 betting spins----- 11+1
You'd have to be nuts to continue betting past that point.

I think todays numbers definitely illustrate the importance of following the trot.

For those trying to follow this thread and having trouble understanding it I would have to say that you need to read the thread from page one and also check out the Jackpot Joy and GUT threads.
With this knowledge you will not need any tweaks and when I thought I had a tweak it almost cost me $450.
The only thing that saved me was the fact that I actually started betting at the wrong point. -Remember that Denzie?---
I learned my lesson.

So, remember:

-No tweaks unless approved by the great and powerfull notto-


KTF has a steep learning curve but if you stick with it you will not be sorry.

Good luck
-Celtic

[spartanrules]

Hi guys
Love the forum.
I've just started testing KTF.
First game plus 50u. Spin 18.
Question.
For obvious betting reasons I'm using a roulette table (BVs own) so theirs no time limit. Once I've finished the game surely I can just reset, close down etc and restart a new game. Fresh numbers etc.
I've no experience with this type of table.
I'm normally using live dealers etc though using this method it's not possible for me.
I've always been uneasy playing on computer spun table's.

Thanks again every one for a great forum.

[Celticknits]

Question.
For obvious betting reasons I'm using a roulette table (BVs own) so theirs no time limit. Once I've finished the game surely I can just reset, close down etc and restart a new game. Fresh numbers etc.

Good Day Spartan,

On several occasions what I have done is after quitting one session just use the last 10 numbers spun as your first ten new spins and start again.
Worked for me but as a hit and run player I do not do this often as I like to come in, study the marquee numbers, start betting and be off the table in approx. 1/2 hour.

-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

i tried this on sun palace rng fun money.....it came out positive at the end but i did not have the warm fuzzy feeling

im afraid that those of us in the US facing side do not have a good rng option

one: our government wont allow online gaming except for NJ and Nevada
two: the casinos willing to give us RNG i do not know if the rng is fair and random

can the casinos manipulate the rng software?

no good feeling here

[Celticknits]

i tried this on sun palace rng fun money.....it came out positive at the end but i did not have the warm fuzzy feeling

Was this Euro ar American wheel?
Are you able to upload the numbers?

-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

euro rng

sun palace casino

part of mainstreet group

they are supposedly accredited..........wizard says nothing to fear

but i just dont get the warm fuzzy fairness feeling