KTF

[nottophammer]

The numbers come from Billionpound speak
Follow countback.
If you want to try betting hot repeat numbers, Like Turbo advantage 3.
Go to Gambling forum and look at cracking the riddles

[nottophammer]

John, d80
Just 60 spins profit along the way, you set your profit goal

[Akiraa]

Been away from roulette for a while now- just read the whole topic start to finish and have run some tests with real spins- all looking good so far.

Just want to say thanks to Notto and all involved for posting a full system with bankroll, stop loss and win target included and best of all no riddles!

Only downside is no way to really play it on the online real wheels as 15 seconds is nowhere near enough to place the bets. I’m going to start playing for real cash on the play tech rng of doom so will be interesting to see how quick they catch on and spin nothing but repeats to bust my bankroll.

If (and when!) this happens next steps are to study wtf and see if I can get it working for real play. The reason I haven’t looked too in depth into it yet as it seems to be more of a ‘feel’ system whereas the rules on ktf are set and don’t change which is easier for starting out. If anyone is still interested I can post the spins from the games I play.

Once again thanks for the full system Notto-  much appreciated!

[nottophammer]

Great.
Have you seen Priyanka’s tester, page 80? From the tester, the checkpoints helped find the non-hit average to hit.
It was said why don’t they come as 9-5-5-5 =24 over the 40 spins. But instead, we often see 9-7-5-3=24. That means repeats are 1-3-5-7=16
Also, in real roulette spins are posted the NON-HIT’s time tables. It shows up to the 19th non-hit, they have an average to hit of 2 spins. Then up to the 26th non-hit, they average to hit in 3 spins. Up to the 30th non-hit, they average to hit in 4 spins. Bare this in mind.
If you get to 40th spin and it’s 24 of the starting 37 have hit. The next 20 spins; will have you at 60 spins and usually have 30 of the starting 37 and 30 repeats. So, 6 more of the remaining need to hit in the 20 spins. Non-hits 25&26 could hit in 6 spins, their average to hit. 14 spins left; if they average to hit to their average to hit, then non-hits 27-28-29 could hit. With 2 spins left who knows maybe the 30th non-hit would show; if not the non-hits would be -1 over the 60 spins. 31/29.

[nottophammer]

65 spins from an Aus contact on R-sim.
Akiraa; maybe this will help. Shows how to watch the stream.

[nottophammer]

How Priyanka's tester looks for the 60 spins.

[nottophammer]

Why the need for 359 spins?
surely 60 gets you a profit.

[nottophammer]

60 spins.

[nottophammer]

As we know non-hit average is 9-7-5-3 and repeat average is 1-3-5-7.
You can work with both averages.

[nottophammer]

What do they say? practice.

[Akiraa]

Great.
Have you seen Priyanka’s tester, page 80? From the tester, the checkpoints helped find the non-hit average to hit.
It was said why don’t they come as 9-5-5-5 =24 over the 40 spins. But instead, we often see 9-7-5-3=24. That means repeats are 1-3-5-7=16
Also, in real roulette spins are posted the NON-HIT’s time tables. It shows up to the 19th non-hit, they have an average to hit of 2 spins. Then up to the 26th non-hit, they average to hit in 3 spins. Up to the 30th non-hit, they average to hit in 4 spins. Bare this in mind.
If you get to 40th spin and it’s 24 of the starting 37 have hit. The next 20 spins; will have you at 60 spins and usually have 30 of the starting 37 and 30 repeats. So, 6 more of the remaining need to hit in the 20 spins. Non-hits 25&26 could hit in 6 spins, their average to hit. 14 spins left; if they average to hit to their average to hit, then non-hits 27-28-29 could hit. With 2 spins left who knows maybe the 30th non-hit would show; if not the non-hits would be -1 over the 60 spins. 31/29.

Yes mate have been using priyankas sheet which makes things much easier. Have also added a table to the side which shows which non repeats are still to be bet to speed things up.

First real session of ktf on playtech rng of doom was a tough one- as predicted the repeats came thick and fast  after spin 10- was down to -515 by spin 22 but Ktf and ended up in profit of +82 at spin 53. If every session is as hard as that may have to consider studying wtf more and switching over but will stick with ktf for now to see  how far along I get before the 800 bankroll completely blows!

Many thanks for the great info on repeaters- will definitely look to study this more carefully in the future!

[nottophammer]

You might be amazed to see how many positions (4th, 5th, 6th, etc) all happen below 1 in 35, at what point this stops -
and how horses far back have no chance of being a leader (cold numbers) because in order to achieve this, they would
have to appear at a massive deviation above normal which doesn't happen in random.
The above is the chiefs reply #9.
Now this is a game of the chief of the riddles. It might help some of the riddler crew.

Remember Like Winkel shows its all going left to right.

But it's looking from the KTF side.

[Akiraa]

Update on Ktf- 3 more sessions on playtech. Glad to say all winners and they seemed to be easier than the first session. Session 2 hit win target at spin 18 with 56 units. Session 3 was tougher but won at spin 34 for 67 units. This was the last chance after a few smaller 30 plus wins though and playing on would have bust the bankroll if it had not hit at this point.
Decided to lower the win target after this session so went to 30-40 units for session 4- got this at spin 17 with 33 unit win. Playing on would have got the 50 target at spin 27 with 62 units but I was just spinning the 60 numbers to see what would have happened and for my records.

Still not convinced playtech is actually a fair game and am just waiting for several runs from hell to bust me completely but am not seeing massive differences in the predicted amounts by the end of the 60 spins (4 sessions have been 29/33/29/28 repeats in the 60) so looks like what Notto saying about even playtech having to keep the numbers average is spot on.

Cheers!

[nottophammer]

Akiraa
Look at the score of the repeats.
This is playing just 4 numbers on the mighty MPR.
Shame Saint Steve don't sort the ready button and clock.

[Akiraa]

Hey Notto- the numbers on MPR for your repeats method look really good! Have to admit having not looked into the Wtf way very much as yet I’m not too sure what a lot of the info in the graph represents so will definitely study that thread more going forward.

Ktf finally had the run from hell after 20 sessions on playtech. 800 units got lost but overall still in profit so think I will leave it there and look into the other repeater methods which can hopefully be played on live wheel as was never convinced the rng roulette is playing fair.

4 numbers on a repeater method sounds like it should be much more manageable for live play so will be looking into repeats/wtf methods next.

Thanks for all the input- much appreciated!