KTF

[Celticknits]

Celtic when you play for repeats do you wait for a certain nunber of uniques?

-RG

I am not sure how to explain it.

I just follow the count, or trot as Winkel calls it in GUT, and look at the avg sheets that Notto has kept updated and posted.
When the count is favourable I start betting for repeats.

I do not want to scare you off but I would have to say that I have spent at least the better part of 100 hours studying Don't Knock It, Jackpot Joy, GUT, and several other related topics to get to where I am now and feel confident in winning.

This is still the only way I am playing and I am not interested in trying other methods/systems or strategies when playing with real money.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Celtic why would u wait for more spins before playing ktf after spin 10

I do not like the count at 10/8. It's just my thing that I do not like 20% of my inital working numbers to be repeats.
If you were playing for repeats you would never start betting at spin 11 but then again repeats are not KTF but an alternative if the count shows it is advantageous.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Well loaded plenty of games and info, only going to put the numbers up now.
If you do them on the sheet spins 58 to 61, Hmm

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jackpotjoy 1.3.16
1 32
2 3
3 17
4 9
5 30
6 4
7 29
8 13
9 22
10 6
11 29
12 22
13 2
14 14
15 31
16 22
17 1
18 23
19 12
20 25
21 7
22 18
23 28
24 22
25 2
26 27
27 26
28 26
29 24
30 19
31 21
32 15
33 7
34 32
35 15
36 29
37 19
38 13
39 34
40 26
41 35
42 13
43 22
44 13
45 2
46 26
47 21
48 16
49 26
50 26
51 25
52 0
53 29
54 13
55 25
56 11
57 32
58 20
59 5
60 36

61 33
62 18
63 3
64 21
65 35
66 3
67 35
68 23
69 5
70 23
71 5
72 21
73 30
74 18


[denzie]

After spin#12 we have an overall count of 10+3 and I am starting to lean towards betting repeats but still want more spins.
After spin#14 count is 10+1 and I am still thinking to bet repeats but still not convinced to start betting so wait.
The next 6 spins are choppy and after spin #20 the overall count is 13+3.
Spin 21 and 22 are repeats and overall count is 13+1
After next two spins the 15 in 30 average on nottos sheets has been met and I would have started to bet the repeats and looked for 3-4 wins starting at spin 25



-Celtic

Hey Celtic,

Few members are bit shy to ask it in the open.... they understand how you count the non-hit. But they don't understand how you count the repeaters. As for myself I'm having doubts too if I look at your sheets a few pages back vs your latest.

I keep it simple though. I did 3 sessions this morning going for the repeaters. The recovery is amazing.  But it's rng and I'm not going in if I get for example 15/9. I prefer around 15/1-2-3-4. On rng it takes 5 minutes and I got the right session to start.

Didn't bust a sweat.

Denzie

[denzie]

Well loaded plenty of games and info, only going to put the numbers up now.
If you do them on the sheet spins 58 to 61, Hmm

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jackpotjoy 1.3.16
1 32
2 3
3 17
4 9
5 30
6 4
7 29
8 13
9 22
10 6
11 29
12 22
13 2
14 14
15 31
16 22
17 1
18 23
19 12
20 25
21 7
22 18
23 28
24 22
25 2
26 27
27 26
28 26
29 24
30 19
31 21
32 15
33 7
34 32
35 15
36 29
37 19
38 13
39 34
40 26
41 35
42 13
43 22
44 13
45 2
46 26
47 21
48 16
49 26
50 26
51 25
52 0
53 29
54 13
55 25
56 11
57 32
58 20
59 5
60 36

61 33
62 18
63 3
64 21
65 35
66 3
67 35
68 23
69 5
70 23
71 5
72 21
73 30
74 18


For ktf it's an easy one.
For repeaters I choose to go in after spin 18. Well that was a bumpy ride. At the end I made it though.

[denzie]

@ Celticknits

10 sessions played today  (rng)
+42
+79
+65
+79
+69
+48
+32
+42
+63
+85

From what I'm seeing it's best to wait till spin 18 to go in. Anything more early seems to get me 1 loss. I'll post it. Bit curious how you would handle this one.

11
31
21
3
36
8
27
25
13
28
------------ 10/0
35
0
24
18
26
6
5
2  --------- after this I go in
26   R
21   R
30
20
28   R
7
17
10
3      R
34
16
10    R
12
23
15
36    R
19
12    R
22
14
31    R
2      R
19    R

[nottophammer]

denzie
looking good,nice profit

[denzie]

denzie
looking good,nice profit

It's all thx to you and Celticknits.
These results are going for repeaters.
But my other ktf comes out winning too.

So big  to you guys

[Celticknits]

@ Celticknits

...........................
From what I'm seeing it's best to wait till spin 18 to go in. Anything more early seems to get me 1 loss. I'll post it. Bit curious how you would handle this one.
......................................................

Be careful and don't set anything in stone.
If you are only taking about spin #18 in this session fine.
The count should always be your guide.

I would have started betting in this session at spin #16 because of the 15 prior uniques in a row and using Nottos avg sheet as a guide.

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
16  6 15 1 15 -15 -15
17   5 15 2 30 -30 -45
18   2 15 3 45 -45 -90     Not to worry yet
19  26 R 15 4 60 144 84 -6
20 21 R 14 3 42 108 66 60  New High Note the recovery in two wins. Made back the $90 + $60 extra.
21  30 13 1 13 -13 47  Reset P to 1
22 20 13 2 26 -26 21
23 28 R 13 3 39 108 69 90   Quit
24   7 12 1 12 -12 78
25 17 12 2 24 -24 54
26 10 12 3 36 -36 18
27 3 R 12 4 48 144 96 114


My personal rule is go for three wins and then depending on the count maybe 4.
In this case I would quit after 3 wins because the count is so ridiculous and I just don't trust going for 4 wins
In this case I would have made $24 more. Not worth it in my opinion and GREED WILL KILL YOU!!!!

I do not ever remember seeing 26 unhit/uniques in thirty spins on Nottos JJ sheets.

With 5 losses and only three wins to make back the losses and get a $90 profit I do not understand why more people are not doing this.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

It's all thx to you and Celticknits.
These results are going for repeaters.
But my other ktf comes out winning too.

So big  to you guys

Thank you for the compliment.

-Celtic

[denzie]

You start on spin 15. Then you get 3 losses. So you don't count those 3 nrs to your bets?
Spin 16 : bet 15nrs
Spin 17 : bet 16nrs
Spin 18 : bet 17nrs

[NextYear]

@ Denzie

Are you also taking off hit numbers as Celtic do?
And you are not betting on newcomers as candidates for repeat?

Thanks

[Celticknits]

You start on spin 15. Then you get 3 losses. So you don't count those 3 nrs to your bets?
Spin 16 : bet 15nrs
Spin 17 : bet 16nrs
Spin 18 : bet 17nrs

I start betting on spin #16 not 15 and just play.
Yes the first 3 spins are losses but look at the recovery.
Those three numbers ARE NOT added to the mix the way I play it.
I'll do another chart for you and show you why shortly.

-Celtic

[denzie]

@ Denzie

Are you also taking off hit numbers as Celtic do?
Yes, this I do also. In the beginning when I start playing it I've got little scared as the ones I toke off start to show. But till today it wasn't a problem.


And you are not betting on newcomers as candidates for repeat? This I did different. Celtic does not do that. If I understand him correctly. So I will not do that anymore and see how it goes. But all my sessions was played with adding newcomers.

What I also do...same as Celticknits. ...if we in a new high or we almost recovered then I reset the progression to 1 unit. This is a very important move. That keeps a possible bust far away.

[denzie]

I start betting on spin #16 not 15 and just play.
Yes the first 3 spins are losses but look at the recovery.
Those three numbers ARE NOT added to the mix the way I play it.
I'll do another chart for you and show you why shortly.

-Celtic

Ooo I mean on spin 16. But I'm very curious why you not add those...this I did "wrong".

Thanks for the help. This forum could use more guys like you. Respect!