KTF

[Celticknits]

You start on spin 15. Then you get 3 losses. So you don't count those 3 nrs to your bets?
Spin 16 : bet 15nrs
Spin 17 : bet 16nrs
Spin 18 : bet 17nrs

-Denzie

Look what happens if I add the three losses as they happen.
You still win but their additional  betting costs has taken it's toll and if you had decided to go for 4 wins you would have made less that  the 3 wins. Look at the numbers  and you will see that one of the ones you added in would not have not paid off until spin #40 and hopefully you would have finished way before that.

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
16 6 15 1 15 -15 -15
17 5 16 2 32 -32 -47
18 2 17 3 51 -51 -98
19 26 R 18 4 72 144 72 -26
20 21 R 17 3 51 108 57 31
21 30 16 1 16 -16 15
22 20 16 2 32 -32 -17
23 28 R 16 3 48 108 60 43
24 7 15 1 15 -15 28
25 17 15 2 30 -30 -2
26 10 15 3 45 -45 -47
27 3 R 15 4 60 144 84 37



I hope this helps illustrate why I did not add the losses on.

-celtic

[NextYear]

Thanks C&D, nice info!

[denzie]

Alright,  got it. That's why some of my sessions are more grinders then yours.
Tomorrow I will redo my old sessions and see how that goes .

[Celticknits]

Alright,  got it. That's why some of my sessions are more grinders then yours.
Tomorrow I will redo my old sessions and see how that goes .

Always glad to help you.

I think a lot of the time we get ourselves into trouble by overthinking things and start to think things like...."What would happen if I just tried this one small little change".

Usually SH...T happens right.

We are all human and I have caught myself thinking this way when playing but fortunately I have always realized that there was not reason to make any changes.
Next time you think of changing something what you do is make a note of what you wanted to change and then finish the session normally.
After work out on paper what would have happened if you had made that change.

By the way those numbers were crazy and I now appreciate more than ever play on a live wheel.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Thanks C&D, nice info!

You are welcome.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Always glad to help you.

I think a lot of the time we get ourselves into trouble by overthinking things and start to think things like...."What would happen if I just tried this one small little change".

Usually SH...T happens right.correct

We are all human and I have caught myself thinking this way when playing but fortunately I have always realized that there was not reason to make any changes.
Next time you think of changing something what you do is make a note of what you wanted to change and then finish the session normally.
After work out on paper what would have happened if you had made that change.Good advice, try the idea at home on paper with old data

By the way those numbers were crazy and I now appreciate more than ever play on a live wheel.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Alright,  got it. That's why some of my sessions are more grinders then yours.
Tomorrow I will redo my old sessions and see how that goes .yes ,keep old games for testing

[nottophammer]

Back from the town  under an hour

[nottophammer]

Oh yeah .25p units in Lads and .20p units in coral

[Wally Gator]

Back from the town  under an hour

On spin 39, is that a 10 unit bet, then a 5 unit and then another 10 unit?  Different progression?

Great work on this Notto.

[nottophammer]

As i'm still recording jackpot.247 for the numbers to build the avg doc, as i was marking the numbers on the sheet, i could see in spins 11-20, it was going to be a good example of KEEP THE FAITH.
There was just short of 3 hours game play, so enough to see if the second game could get the win.

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 15 36
2 33 35
3 29 34
4 19 33
5 34 32
6 23 31
7 8 30
8 36 29
9 28 28 stake
10 24 27 non-hit return
11 17 26 1 27 36 9
12 30 25 1 26 36 19
13 36 r 1 25 0 -6
14 19 r 2 50 0 -56
15 30 r 3 75 0 -131
16 31 24 4 100 144 -87
17 15 r 3 72 0 -159
18 34 r 4 96 0 -255
19 6 23 5 120 180 -195
20 15 r 4 92 0 -287
21 17 r 5 115 0 -402
22 21 22 6 138 216 -324
23 17 r 5 110 0 -434
24 1 21 6 132 216 -350
25 24 r 5 105 0 -455
26 20 20 6 126 216 -365
27 14 19 5 100 180 -285
28 26 18 4 76 144 -217
29 4 17 3 54 108 -163
30 14 r 2 34 0 -197
31 35 16 3 51 108 -140
32 34 r 2 32 0 -172
33 18 15 3 48 108 -112
34 9 14 2 30 72 -70
35 23 r 1 14 0 -84
36 10 13 2 28 72 -40
37 7 12 1 13 36 -17
38 18 r 1 12 0 -29
39 11 11 2 24 72 19 stop
40 21 r 1 11 0 8
41 10 r 2 22 0 -14
42 30 r 3 33 0 -47
43 25 10 4 44 144 53 definetly stop
44 10 r 3 30 0 23
45 26 r 4 40 0 -17
46 5 9 5 50 180 113
47 14 r 4 36 0 77
48 30 r 5 45 0 32
49 6 r 6 54 0 -22
50 17 r 7 63 0 -85
51 30 r 8 72 0 -157
52 27 8 9 81 324 86
53 11 r 86
54 14 r 86
55 19 r 86
56 17 r 86
57 9 r 86
58 31 r 86
59 10 r 86
60 6 r

61 0 7


Game 1 +£53

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 0 36
2 19 35
3 28 34
4 14 33
5 12 32
6 33 31
7 31 30
8 30 29
9 20 28 stake
10 29 27 non-hit return
11 7 26 1 27 36 9
12 13 25 1 26 36 19
13 33 r 1 25 0 -6
14 3 24 2 50 72 16
15 28 r 1 24 0 -8
16 15 23 2 48 72 16
17 27 22 1 23 36 29
18 1 21 1 22 36 43
19 34 20 1 21 36 58
20 29 r 1
21 30 r 2
22 6 19 3
23 7 r 2
24 26 18 3
25 15 r 2
26 24 17 3
27 15 r

Game 2 +£58

[Celticknits]

I played a live session at the B&M yesterday on a 0/00 American wheel, for repeats, but thought you may be interested what would happen if it had been played with KTF.

I am posting this because I just realized that most of the posted samples, if not all, are for Euro wheels.

Anyways, hopefully this will be of use to someone.

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 8
2 0
3 10
4 15
5 2
6 14
7 34
8 15 R
9 33
10 12             Count is 9/10
11 13 29 1 29 36 7 7
12 23 28 1 28 36 8 15
13 13 R 27 1 27 -27 -12
14 0 27 2 54 72 18 6
15 3 26 1 26 36 10 16
16 10 R 25 1 25 -25 -9
17 23 R 25 2 50 -50 -59
18 5 25 3 75 108 33 -26
19 24 24 2 48 72 24 -2
20 24 R 23 1 23 -23 -25    Count is 6+1
21 20 23 2 46 72 26 1
22     17 22 1 22 36 14 15
23 27 21 1 21 36 15 30     On American wheel I stop at $30-$40 Profit
24 21 20 1 20 36 16 46
25 13 R 19 1 19 -19 27
26 27 R 19 2 38 -38 -11
27 25 19 3 57 108 51 40
28 0 R 18 2 36 -36 4
29 29 18 3 54 108 54 58
30 0 R 17 2 34 -34 24      Count is 12+2
31 2 R 17 3 51 -51 -27
32 16 17 4 68 144 76 49
33 26 16 3 48 108 60 109
34 16 R 15 2 30 -30 79
35 7 15 3 45 108 63 142
36 20 R 14 2 28 -28 114
37 12 R 14 3 42 -42 72
38 00 14 4 56 144 88 160
39 28 13 3 39 108 69 229
40 10 R 12 2 24 -24 205    Count is 17+2


Note: I always bet 0 and 00 individually, even if they are in the original sequence, and I take them down if hit.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 15 36
2 33 35
3 29 34
4 19 33
5 34 32
6 23 31
7 8 30
8 36 29
9 28 28 stake
10 24 27 non-hit return
11 17 26 1 27 36 9
12 30 25 1 26 36 19
13 36 r 1 25 0 -6
14 19 r 2 50 0 -56
15 30 r 3 75 0 -131
16 31 24 4 100 144 -87
17 15 r 3 72 0 -159
18 34 r 4 96 0 -255
19 6 23 5 120 180 -195
20 15 r 4 92 0 -287
21 17 r 5 115 0 -402
22 21 22 6 138 216 -324
23 17 r 5 110 0 -434
24 1 21 6 132 216 -350
25 24 r 5 105 0 -455
26 20 20 6 126 216 -365
27 14 19 5 100 180 -285
28 26 18 4 76 144 -217
29 4 17 3 54 108 -163
30 14 r 2 34 0 -197
31 35 16 3 51 108 -140
32 34 r 2 32 0 -172
33 18 15 3 48 108 -112
34 9 14 2 30 72 -70
35 23 r 1 14 0 -84
36 10 13 2 28 72 -40
37 7 12 1 13 36 -17
38 18 r 1 12 0 -29
39 11 11 2 24 72 19 stop
40 21 r 1 11 0 8
41 10 r 2 22 0 -14
42 30 r 3 33 0 -47
43 25 10 4 44 144 53 definetly stop
44 10 r 3 30 0 23
45 26 r 4 40 0 -17
46 5 9 5 50 180 113
47 14 r 4 36 0 77
48 30 r 5 45 0 32
49 6 r 6 54 0 -22
50 17 r 7 63 0 -85
51 30 r 8 72 0 -157
52 27 8 9 81 324 86
53 11 r 86
54 14 r 86
55 19 r 86
56 17 r 86
57 9 r 86
58 31 r 86
59 10 r 86
60 6 r

61 0 7


-Notto-

The game starting with 15 33 29 would have taken one helluva BR.
But it does win  in the end.

OOOH look at the nice repeats.
Sorry...I couldn't help myself

-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

Ktf does well unless its repeat city. Tough game

[nottophammer]

Jackpot 247  3.3.16

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jackpotjoy 3.3.16
1 28
2 20
3 6
4 18
5 11
6 27
7 13
8 10
9 35
10 20
11 0
12 0
13 20
14 12
15 9
16 29
17 12
18 3
19 18
20 16
21 32
22 21
23 7
24 21
25 35
26 19
27 15
28 25
29 6
30 17
31 23
32 8
33 7
34 14
35 8
36 25
37 29
38 27
39 13
40 13
41 34
42 27
43 0
44 34
45 2
46 3
47 9
48 4
49 27
50 11
51 0
52 29
53 35
54 0
55 24
56 12
57 6
58 31
59 28
60 8

61 19
62 11
63 12
64 10
65 1
66 31
67 5
68 7
69 1
70 29
71 6