KTF

[tuddilue]

Not sure what you trying to ask. ....I not see anything wrong in what you post.

So we wait 10 unique.  Then we bet all those 10 nrs for a repeat . Stop. Retrack.
Iow a bust is 20 unique in a row.

With 7-8-9 unique in our first 10 spins I found busts. With 10 still haven't found one. But I'm sure I will.

I'm not asking about your new theory (by the way I think is interesting).
I'm asking about when you are playing the original KTF.

[nottophammer]

Using my sheet before i came to using +1/-1 on KTF, i use to track the previous 10 spins, so lets say spins1-10 have no repeat, in spins11-20 i would watch to see if 1-10 repeat before 5th spin which would be spin 15,if they had not repeated i would then start to bet the 10 numbers. Most times it would win,sometimes i'd be still trying for the repeat in 21-30.

So todays #'s each previous 10 repeat in the next 10 spins
1-10 1 repeat
11-20 #29 repeats from spins1-10
21-30 #29 repeats from spins 11-20
31-40 #1 repeats from spins 21-30
41-50 #2 repeats from spins 31-40
51-60 #12 repeats from spins 41-50

No chance to bet for the repeat as they came early. It was just away to bet a small amount of #'s, but what if i'd started to bet straight away it could go the 5 and not repeated so thats 5 bets to early. On the FOBT i've seen a block of 10 spins miss for 30 plus spins, but you have to see if the wins will keep you in profit, so i left it alone and started just betting the non-hit, the larger group.
Like Azim says you could start after the win on KTF again, so todays win comes on spin 19 #1. now collect the next 10 spins,which would be spins 21-30, you can see it would win. But as i play on RNG i'd still move to another shop and be in a new stream of #'s.

Whilst printing the sheet, it reminded the above is just like 12 unique in x spins and we know that that would bust sometimes, so just keep to the original KTF, if you get the win target is it favorable to go for Celtics repeats

[RouletteGhost]

Results may vary with real wheel players and the fobt

But given your results notto even i am now questioning that

[tuddilue]

...we know that that would bust sometimes, so just keep to the original KTF, if you get the win target is it favorable to go for Celtics repeats

Thanks notto for the more explanation about the repeaters. I will also try this in my sessions!

If we talk about the KTF are you using some stop trigger or just not bet when you see a lot of repeaters in the first 5 (11-16)?
I have a stop trigger when KTF has done 2 losses in row. Because I think it is to hard to recovery. Yes I do recover occasionally but not always.. What do you think about this?
I also look at the trot as much as I can. But this can be an easy trigger to stop betting.

[nottophammer]

Tuddilue
This is why i dropped trying for repeats, 5/3/16 shows using previous 10 spins how it can fail.
Spins 11-20 get a repeat from 1st 10, 21-30 gets its repeat from 11-20, 21-30 does not repeat in the next 19 spins, but spins 31-40 do repeat in spins 41-50.
Like Azim said it’s better to restart or Winkel jump, so if you collected the next 10 spins,21-30 where the cycle of 37 you are in has shown how those 10 have missed, if you start again, the KTF is a winner.
To me it’s better to play for non-hits from the start of a fresh 37 spin cycle, the non-hit are the larger group and what are we expecting the larger group to do, hit

[tuddilue]

Tuddilue
This is why i dropped trying for repeats, 5/3/16 shows using previous 10 spins how it can fail.
Spins 11-20 get a repeat from 1st 10, 21-30 gets its repeat from 11-20, 21-30 does not repeat in the next 19 spins, but spins 31-40 do repeat in spins 41-50.
Like Azim said it’s better to restart or Winkel jump, so if you collected the next 10 spins,21-30 where the cycle of 37 you are in has shown how those 10 have missed, if you start again, the KTF is a winner.
To me it’s better to play for non-hits from the start of a fresh 37 spin cycle, the non-hit are the larger group and what are we expecting the larger group to do, hit

Thanks notto!
Yes the repeaters can take long time before they arrive.  I have not been betting them before. I can understand why you have dropped it..

Here comes my session I had that I wonder how you should play?

So in the first 11-21 there is 7 repeaters with a streak of 5 as longest. I stopped at spin 13 and lost 68 but if I should have KTF the bankroll should bust. So do you have some tips around this one?

[Celticknits]

Notto...I toke a look on all your ktf sheets you posted here.(written ones) . And some others too.
Didn't find a bust. Correct me if I'm wrong pls.

Estimated around +1500 units minimum. 

-Denzie

Any busts are few and far between but look at some of the drawdowns.
For example spin #37 on post #466. I could not find which JJ this belonged to.
It is $986 .
Would you have continued to that level?
It won in the end.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Hi  tuddilue
Just looked at that sheet and your stop was the right decision, so you now restart collect spins 21-30 and get the win. Or start on another wheel, but Azim said if you restart in the stream it will win, so the above i guess he's right.

[nottophammer]

Think this is what your looking for. Its a live session at Aspers MK and it did make me keep the faith,

[nottophammer]

Its like you said Celtic when going down 1 on the prog can be a problem and as i was at 8 units i did a, dont knock it till you try it i just took of the winning number but left it at 8, back to a new high and reset to 1unit, but believe me i was so tempted to repeat the above, but thought better of it and dropped to 1

[tuddilue]

Hi  tuddilue
Just looked at that sheet and your stop was the right decision, so you now restart collect spins 21-30 and get the win. Or start on another wheel, but Azim said if you restart in the stream it will win, so the above i guess he's right.

Oh that was impressive. Look at the sheet now!
I restarted and collected the spins from 21-30. Look what I got 9+4..
Yes Azim had correct!

[nottophammer]

Good Tuddilue
Now more practice

[Celticknits]

Thanks notto!
Yes the repeaters can take long time before they arrive.  I have not been betting them before. I can understand why you have dropped it..

Here comes my session I had that I wonder how you should play?

So in the first 11-21 there is 7 repeaters with a streak of 5 as longest. I stopped at spin 13 and lost 68 but if I should have KTF the bankroll should bust. So do you have some tips around this one?

That machine rou play on sure likes the repeats near the beginnining doesn' it.
Attached is a sheet showing two resets for this session.

As Notto and Winkel stated, sometimes you just have to do a reset.
Here I reset twice and Chart #3 was a KTF winner.

Also, look at the count to bet repeaters after spin #20 of Chart #3.
It doesn't get much better than that.

Here is the KTF payout sheet for Chart #3

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
11 5 28 1 28 36 8 8
12 17 27 1 27 36 9 17
13 32 26 1 26 36 10 27
14 19 25 1 25 36 11 38
15 10 24 1 24 36 12 50-------------Quit and watch the count
16 28 23 1 23 36 13 63
17 1 22 1 22 36 14 77
18 20 R 21 1 21 -21 56
19 36 21 2 42 72 30 86
20 6 20 1 20 36 16 102
21 0 19 1 19 36 17 119



-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Oh that was impressive. Look at the sheet now!
I restarted and collected the spins from 21-30. Look what I got 9+4..
Yes Azim had correct!

And look at the count after spin#20

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Its like you said Celtic when going down 1 on the prog can be a problem and as i was at 8 units i did a, dont knock it till you try it i just took of the winning number but left it at 8, back to a new high and reset to 1unit, but believe me i was so tempted to repeat the above, but thought better of it and dropped to 1

I know.
I think that is the greed factor trying to slip in

-Celtic