KTF

[nottophammer]

Jackpot 247.com 1.2.16    +£46.00, but if you must go on +£55.00

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 22 36
2 3 35
3 12 34
4 18 33
5 33 32
6 26 31
7 6 30
8 28 29
9 2 28 stake
10 16 27 non-hit return
11 27 26 1 27 36 9
12 26 R 1 26 0 -17
13 36 25 2 52 72 3
14 35 24 1 25 36 14
15 27 R 1 24 0 -10
16 34 23 2 48 72 14
17 2 R 1 23 0 -9
18 5 22 2 46 72 17
19 32 21 1 22 36 31
20 24 20 1 21 36 46 Personally I'd stop
21 12 R 1 20 0 26
22 24 R 2 40 0 -14
23 32 R 3 60 0 -74
24 17 19 4 80 144 -10
25 28 R 3 57 0 -67
26 4 18 4 76 144 1
27 14 17 3 54 108 55 Stop
28 21 55
29 1 55
30 5 55
31 8 55
32 30 55
33 4 55
34 18 55
35 35 55
36 27
37 30
38 36
39 0
40 0
41 19
42 7
43 10
44 10
45 19
46 18
47 20
48 0
49 2
50 34
51 7
52 21
53 17
54 2
55 3
56 11
57 9
58 35
59 26
60 29

61 15
62 33
63 6
64 7
65 26
66 20
67 23
68 18
69 25
70 18
71 28
72 26
73 14
74 13
75 0
76 23
77 23
78 25
79 3


[denzie]

When you lose, you bet +1=2 on all unhit numbers, if lose again, then +1=3 units on all unhit numbers .
On hit, you take of winning number and -1 on all unhit numbers.

That is how I understand Notto, his word will be last.

When you stop?
So we wait 10 numbers. Then start betting the other 27 as explained above. Let's say we are another 5 spins further and with profit. Where do we stop ?

[nottophammer]

With £1.00 units,when as near to £50 or +£50, Usually you can win £50/60. Like said as close to the £50 or +£50, your decision.

[RouletteGhost]

$5 units. One session a day. 

[denzie]

With £1.00 units,when as near to £50 or +£50, Usually you can win £50/60. Like said as close to the £50 or +£50, your decision.

Ok sounds good. What br you recommend?

[nottophammer]

Hi Den 400 units.
These are Jackpot 247.com  2.2.16   KTF   +51  #6  9th spin of betting. Fast trot spins 11-30, so stating the obvious wouldn't you expect to see repeats 31-60

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 7 36
2 21 35
3 12 34
4 17 33
5 9 32
6 5 31
7 33 30
8 36 29
9 8 28 stake
10 36 R non-hit return
11 16 27 1 28 36 8
12 17 R 1 27 0 -19
13 23 26 2 54 72 -1
14 10 25 1 26 36 9
15 35 24 1 25 36 20
16 19 23 1 24 36 32
17 30 22 1 23 36 45 could stop here
18 36 R 1 22 0 23
19 6 21 2 44 72 51 stop here
20 10 R 1 21 0 30
21 1 20 2 42 72 60
22 10 R 1 20 0 40
23 14 19 2 40 72 72
24 4 18 1 19 36 89
25 20 17 1 18 36 107
26 9 R 1 17 0 90
27 12 R 2 34 0 56
28 22 16 3 51 108 113
29 18 15 2 32 72 153
30 27 14 1 15 36 174
31 7 R 1 14 0 160
32 18 R 2 28 0 132
33 2 13 3 42 108 198
34 22 R 2 26 0 172
35 12 R 3 39 0 133
36 23 R 4 52 0 81
37 24 12 5 65 180 196
38 6 R 4 48 0 148
39 24 R 5 60 0 88
40 17 R 6 72 0 16
41 34 11 7 84 252 184
42 4 184
43 12 184
44 9 184
45 20 184
46 5 184
47 16 184
48 22 184
49 10 184
50 23 184
51 19 184
52 7 184
53 19 184
54 27 184
55 9 184
56 25 184
57 20
58 35
59 26
60 11

61 14
62 25
63 20
64 28


[nottophammer]

Jackpot 247.com 3.2.16 taped for nearly 3 hrs, 82 spins.

KTF wins £45 #32 5th spin of betting, can get +50  at #0  14th spin of betting.

With 82 spins, 29non hit/60spins, used the 22 spins for a new game,should wait for all 37 to be hit, but wins +£52 #7 8th spin of betting 15th non hit, to see this you'll have to look at the sheet.

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 1 36
2 20 35
3 35 34
4 8 33
5 4 32
6 1 R
7 2 31
8 28 30
9 28 R stake
10 16 29 non-hit return
11 6 28 1 29 36 7
12 3 27 1 28 36 15
13 36 26 1 27 36 24
14 18 25 1 26 36 34
15 32 24 1 25 36 45 could stop here
16 20 R 1 24 0 21
17 30 23 2 48 72 45 Take the £45
18 4 R 1 23 0 22
19 2 R 2 46 0 -24
20 26 22 3 69 108 15
21 18 R 2 44 0 -29
22 12 21 3 66 108 13
23 34 20 2 42 72 43
24 0 19 1 20 36 59 stop here £59
25 19 18
26 27 17
27 32 R
28 11 16
29 27 R
30 27 R
31 26 R
32 0 R
33 32 R
34 28 R
35 18 R
36 0 R
37 25 15
38 2 R
39 29 14
40 4 R
41 36 R
42 12 R
43 13 13
44 3 R
45 6 R
46 13 R
47 11 R
48 29 R
49 2 R
50 25 R
51 5 12
52 12 R
53 15 11
54 4 R
55 21 10
56 26 R
57 35 R
58 20 R
59 31 9
60 17 8 29 non hit in 60 spins

61 20 R
62 16 R
63 22 7
64 8 R
65 27 R
66 22 R
67 26 R
68 36 R
69 28 R
70 36 R
71 14 6
72 18 R
73 26 R
74 4 R
75 19 R
76 13 R
77 11 R
78 7 5 Just 5 to find after 82 spins
79 12 R
80 8 R
81 30 R
82 5 R


[denzie]

I'm impressed with your results Notto....
I will give it a try. (Virtual at first)

Did you bust your br sometimes?

[JimmieB]

Hey NTH,

It's amazing right enough how you get the 15 numbers coming out from spins 11 to 40 !!!

[nottophammer]

I'm impressed with your results Notto....
I will give it a try. (Virtual at first)

Did you bust your br sometimes?

When first started yes,but over time with tweeks its got better.
Like Jimmie B said, spins 11-30 so often you get 15 non hits,also if you collect 60 spins nearly always see 30 non hit.
So if 15.68293 non hit, is avg for 30 spins, add the 15 to the number of non hit you had in the spins1-10. On todays game thats 8+15=23, at spin 40 its 23 non hit have hit, so spin 40 wil be the 30th spin.
If you look on the sheet you see the arrow pointing count back, so if start with 23 what we expect at spins 40/39 count back from boxes 40/39 in twos,use this to watch the trot,like today 13th non hit came on spin 15,look to count back and it could be only 11 non hit,so i interpret this fast and you would expect to see some of what Winkel would call 1x's, to appear. So although you could bet every spin, if you see the non hits are hitting fast,perhaps you could play for a repeat. But when the 13th non hit,hit you had won £45,me i'd stop, go to another machine or in your case table/wheel and start again.

I've updated todays Jackpot 247.com's spins it will say Jackpot joy avg

[JimmieB]

As NTH, and a few other members have mentioned, I think you need to get an understanding of the trot, which is not easy, I admit that. I now believe, after my early martingale days, this is the way to (hopefully!!) enjoy & prosper from roulette, whether that be a few quid after a night out in your local B&M casino/bookies/Latvian (oh you're lovely, and yes they are for a reason) online casino, or, make a living from it, if your BR is big enough, then fair enough, for me, it's an extra bit each month to treat the wife & kids for a nice night out dining, plus my wife would stop moaning about me being on the computer all the time on this bloody forum, although, I'm sure there would be something else for her to moan about, my small penis would be a start , however, it's big enough to fill a pram (twice over)!!

Anyway, on a more serious note, as was mentioned earlier on another thread, experience teaches you these things, my ramblings at this moment might be getting sniggered at by the "senior" members of the forum, however, I don't think they will be, I reckon they will say, "there's a guy who is at least trying and taking it in", it's like most things in life, you need to adapt to the situation that's in front of you, it's instinct, there's a reason why people excel at what they do, they adapt, they learn, practice, get better, and they learn more , practice more, get better, they lear....yeah, you've got the picture, I know it sounds cheesy as hell, however, I believe that is the way it is.

For example, look at the thread about where are all the old school members, Soggett (sp?, apologies if wrong!!), popped up and mentioned he's going to study GUT, will he play it, I'm not sure, however, this guy is going to study it, and an experienced member to boot, and I reckon it will change his thinking to a certain extent.

If somebody asked me how to play KTF/GUT/any LOTT system, could I explain it, no I can’t, because you have to be there, in the moment. Again sounding cheesy, at almost 44 years old, and still playing football (soccer for you guys in the US of A), can I tell you how I’m going to play each game, of course not, yeah,  I have an idea before kickoff (I’ll give it my all, etc.), although, after kick off, I look what’s happening in front/behind/left/right/ of me & I play according to the situation, and I’ll do what I think is right, sometimes that is wrong, sometimes I will get it right, I’m trying to read the game...and see when I get it wrong, hopefully I won’t get it wrong again â€" to me the game is the trot.

Mods, please feel free to move, maybe all of this post to another part of the forum, and fellow members, sorry for the rant, I’ve been out at the pub to watch my football (again, soccer for you guys in the US of A, yes, I’m being a patronising a**hole) team, getting pumped by Aberdeen, & I’m pissed off...but I love this forum, and it’s one of the first things I check whilst having my morning coffee.

[NextYear]

Jimmie, I hope that hangover will have mercy on you... 

[JimmieB]

 Oh, my head....

[nottophammer]

Todays numbers J 247.com  4.2.16

Again got 82 #'s

Game 1  17non hit in 30 spins,  in 60spins 31 non hit, if use all 82 #'s 36 of 37 #'s have hit.
As i've mentioned i can see on the machine of death all 37 #'s have been hit in 120 spins,Note not always,but quite often, so does that mean the machine is in payout mode.

Game 2 +£50 just love that 5 spins,stop move on, or 14 non hits in 15 spins, why not think about betting for the repeat,you have got £50 winnings to use.
Remember the old 12 unique topic, well 12 come and the repeat is what you would get using the +£50 winnings, Just keep your whits about you,think whats happening, Non hits are fast so repeats have to start appearing.

Perhaps if members had not given Winkel so much negativity, he would have divulged how to bet every spin.

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 23 36
2 16 35
3 27 34
4 26 33
5 5 32
6 31 31
7 28 30
8 8 29
9 36 28 stake
10 26 R non-hit return
11 20 27 1 28 36 8
12 27 R 1 27 0 -19
13 16 R 2 54 0 -73
14 4 26 3 81 108 -46
15 17 25 2 52 72 -26
16 7 24 1 25 36 -15
17 22 23 1 24 36 -3
18 22 R 1 23 0 -26
19 34 22 2 46 72 0
20 34 R 1 22 0 -22
21 11 21 2 44 72 6
22 25 20 1 21 36 21
23 14 19 1 20 36 37
24 10 18 1 19 36 54
25 24 17 1
26 13 16 1
27 19 15 1
28 31 R 1
29 17 R 2
30 8 R 3
31 2 14 4
32 34 R 3
33 1 13 4
34 3 12 3
35 20 R 2
36 20 R 3
37 13 R 4
38 35 11 5
39 31 R 4
40 16 R 5
41 36
42 35
43 30
44 18
45 6
46 11
47 3
48 13
49 8
50 14
51 35
52 1
53 33
54 12
55 4
56 16
57 12
58 26
59 24
60 34

61 0
62 22
63 4
64 12
65 36
66 21
67 4
68 32
69 33
70 35
71 18
72 30
73 6
74 8
75 15
76 10
77 9
78 30
79 26
80 4
81 27
82 34


[Celticknits]

HOLY CRAP!!!

Just got back from the local B&M.
That had to be the easiest $50 I ever made in 14 spins.

I played on an American wheel and also covered the 0 and 00 for a total of $28 on level one and used +1 on a loss and -1on a win.
Is that correct?

I used a $400 BR and did not go past level of +2.
What would be the best maximum level of progression to quit after?

I can't believe it was that simple.
I keep thinking I am missing something.

-Celtic