KTF

[thelaw]

HOLY CRAP!!!

Just got back from the local B&M.
That had to be the easiest $50 I ever made in 14 spins.

I played on an American wheel and also covered the 0 and 00 for a total of $28 on level one and used +1 on a loss and -1on a win.
Is that correct?

I used a $400 BR and did not go past level of +2.
What would be the best maximum level of progression to quit after?

I can't believe it was that simple.
I keep thinking I am missing something.

-Celtic

Keep testing!!! Love to see one of these methods work out! Thanks!!!

[RouletteGhost]

Perhaps if members had not given Winkel so much negativity, he would have divulged how to bet every spin.

come on baby thats the name of the game around here!!

seriously though, great strategy notto

[Celticknits]

Keep testing!!! Love to see one of these methods work out! Thanks!!!

-Law

Thank you.

By the way this was done with very little virtual testing and played live.

The one thing that I have not seen mentioned and what I did was when a number hit I removed it from the sequence BUT I added the oldest hit number back into the sequence so I was always plaing with a total of 28 bets regardless of the level.

Is this correct.

I am a hit and run player player and this method suits me just fine.

I am disappointed that others are not posting any tweaks for testing but oh well what can you do.

-Celtic

[NextYear]

I was always plaing with a total of 28 bets regardless of the level.
Is this correct.

This is very wrong, as you want to bet less numbers - to win more and lose less.

[nottophammer]

Celticknits
I play 99% of time on RNG as members know. KTF played many years now,tweeking as necessary. I was ignorant to Winkel and GUT once, but thank someone i started to read it. I could see the similarity to what i was doing with KTF. What i didn't see in KTF was how the non hit was a 1 hit and that 1 hit became a problem, repeating.
The repeats are not what i and KTF want.
But once i started to use the GUT paper tracker, i could see how the trot was working. Winkel and GUT showed how the LOTT could affect KTF.
So i started a data base on games played like the one being built using Jackpot 247.com, this showed how long a group of non hit can take to come in,its max spins, its averag to come in, the best part though is the 15 point something in 30 spins. I'll put the updated J 247.com doc at the end.

Celtic  no dont add back old hit numbers, all you do is have 10 spins scrub those that are hit, lets say its 10 out of 10,no repeat, so you have left 27 non hit numbers. Now all you do is bet the remaining non hit in this case 27, if win you now only have to bet the 26 non hit, so the non hits are going down, the wins are going up.
USE +1/-1 as you play, never drop back more than 1 unit at a time

[denzie]

Just to make sure...those first 10...they need to be unique numbers ?

I'm going in today....

[nottophammer]

As above Den

The 1st 10 spins let you know how many of the 37 non hit have hit. If 10 hit, you now start betting the 27 remaining non hit, if win,now you bet the 26 non hit, again if win now bet the 25 non hit.
As the non hit,hit your bets get cheaper.

Progression use +1/-1, only drop back 1 unit at a time.

[nottophammer]

Jackpot 247.com  5.2.16  KTF +£46.00 

Do you see dont start betting untill spin 11, i stopped at spin 22, 12 bet of betting. If you KEEP THE FAITH next spin +63 you must stop. Thats 19 non hit in 23 spins, so the 1 hit should start to appear, this is why you stop, you have made +46 or even +63, go to another table where a fresh 37 non hit are due.

Why do i say due, its because you have not been involved in its previous spins,so all 37 pockets are fresh to KTF.

Code Select Expand

spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 34 36
2 18 35
3 19 34
4 14 33
5 20 32
6 22 31
7 7 30
8 5 29
9 30 28 stake
10 10 27 non-hit return
11 10 R 1 27 0 -27
12 35 26 2 54 72 -9
13 19 R 1 26 0 -35
14 11 25 2 52 72 -15
15 2 24 1 25 36 -4
16 18 R 1 24 0 -28
17 27 23 2 48 72 -4
18 1 22 1 23 36 9
19 34 R 1 22 0 -13
20 28 21 2 44 72 15
21 36 20 1 21 36 30
22 26 19 1 20 36 46 I'd stop here
23 25 18 1 19 36 63
24 15 17
25 2 R
26 26 R
27 31 16
28 29 15
29 19 R
30 2 R
31 13 14
32 11 R
33 23 13
34 19 R
35 22 R
36 31 R
37 14 R
38 9 12
39 10 R
40 8 11 so 11 non-hit left to find
41 18 R That’s 16 non-hit in last 30 spins
42 25 R
43 23 R
44 0 10
45 8 R
46 36 R
47 4 9
48 15 R
49 2 R
50 9 R
51 25 R
52 16 8
53 18 R
54 36 R
55
56
57
58
59
60


[maestro]

no wonder notto you got 19 numbers non hit in 23 spins   that is z score -4. something you are set to get 2,3 hits..good luck

[nottophammer]

no wonder notto you got 19 numbers non hit in 23 spins   that is z score -4. something you are set to get 2,3 hits..good luck

now you've lost me
did you mean19 non hit numbers in 23 spins

[nottophammer]

Now i was a naughty boy at school, when at school,so you will understand i missed out the maths.
With my cse in maths, not O level or A level, so when a math guy throws Z score, what does it mean.

Am i going to sit in the betting shop playing on the machine of death working out Z scores, come on, Roulette is a game of chance.

To me i want something that is simple, not working out formulas, i'll bliss fully play the non hit of the wheel, start with 37, after 10 spins away goes nottop hammer betting the remaining non hit, 5 some times 12 spins later out the door +50 or as near to the +50

[NextYear]

Now i was a naughty boy at school... away goes notti hammer  out the door +50 or as near to the +50

I knew that naughty have to do something with notti!
Glad you make it work for you.

[Chris555p]

@Notto - What is the maximum number of units for the progression, u had to use with this system.....?
What is 2 or 3 units per number or more....? I will give it a test run, Thanks.




Chris

[Celticknits]

This is very wrong, as you want to bet less numbers - to win more and lose less.

Thank you for the information.
I understand what you are saying.
I did it because I saw several of the uniques hit when they could have been added on.
Live and learn.

-Celticknits

[Celticknits]

Celticknits
I play 99% of time on RNG as members know. KTF played many years now,tweeking as necessary. I was ignorant to Winkel and GUT once, but thank someone i started to read it. I could see the similarity to what i was doing with KTF. What i didn't see in KTF was how the non hit was a 1 hit and that 1 hit became a problem, repeating.
The repeats are not what i and KTF want.
But once i started to use the GUT paper tracker, i could see how the trot was working. Winkel and GUT showed how the LOTT could affect KTF.
So i started a data base on games played like the one being built using Jackpot 247.com, this showed how long a group of non hit can take to come in,its max spins, its averag to come in, the best part though is the 15 point something in 30 spins. I'll put the updated J 247.com doc at the end.

Celtic  no dont add back old hit numbers, all you do is have 10 spins scrub those that are hit, lets say its 10 out of 10,no repeat, so you have left 27 non hit numbers. Now all you do is bet the remaining non hit in this case 27, if win you now only have to bet the 26 non hit, so the non hits are going down, the wins are going up.
USE +1/-1 as you play, never drop back more than 1 unit at a time

-Notto

I understand what you are saying and thank you for this information.
I do use +1/-1 and only drop back 1 on a win.

By the way thank you for the blank chart you posted near the beginning of this thread, I find it easier to track everything with it.

-Celticknits