KTF

[RouletteGhost]

-Rg

$1 airball with $400 BR is what I am playing and as stated in my last post I have not had a drawdown over $300 in a long time.

As I play on an American wheel if I make $30-40 in the first few spins I am finished, if not, I still quit when the profit is around the $40 mark.

Whether you take a break or not is up to you and whether or not it makes a difference as far as the math is concerned I do not know.
I just watch the trot and follow the rules or as the title of this thread says "Keep The Faith" and it has been good to me.
The only break I take is when I am finished that session and usually I only play one or maybe two sessions a day and never back to back sessions.

One thing I have not seen mentioned on this thread is that when playing KTF it can be stressful and you have to concentrate and keep your wits about you.

Go for many small wins.
They do add up.

-Celtic

Thanks for the info.

We both have airball so that gives me faith

Your largest drawdown was 300 and recovered? Or you stopped?

[nottophammer]

« Reply #224 on: Today at 11:29:01 AM »

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Hi  spartanrules
Countback.
If you think its fair to say in spins 11-30 we will on avg get 15.69492 non-hit, now i know the math guys will say round up,but for me i drop the .69492, so 15 in 30 spins.
So if you agree then what we could see is spins11-20 get 5 non-hit,spins 21-30 5 non-hit and spins 31-40 5 non-hit, the 15 non-hit in 30 spins.


So between the blocks of 4*10 on the sheet you can write countback, countback is the amount of non-hit in spins 1-10 plus the avg 15.
Today we get 9/10, so 9+15=24, avg says at spin 40 we could have 24 non-hit, spins 11-20 get 5 non-hit so + nothing, in between the boxes write countback like i have on the sheet, i should have started at spin 39/40 with 24 and wrote coming back to spins 11/12.

You can see today got the 15 non-hit by 37th spin LOTT as well, i suppose its the perfect trot, but you need to practice if your going to play against the trot.

Its personal preference but I'd prefer to get in and out and reset new game. Profit from say 20-40 units max.
When you start to chase the game it can be a long drawn out process.
Your words, so you've made the decision, i cant agree more take an early win. I just showed how betting only the non-hits with +1/-1 can make 50/60units, but why go to 50/60, why not be happy with  say +30 and reset

earlier today, the countback is a guide to how the 15 could come, 10th's late, 13th just gone over it, but 14th came trot on time, its to help in your decisions

[nottophammer]

Celticknits. ... how you handle this one

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[Celticknits]

Celticknits. ... how you handle this one

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-Denzie

Tricky one. 

I have to make several assumptions here:

1. These spins do not include the initial 10
2. The initial count was 10/10 or thereabouts
3. Based on the trot I would have started betting normally and then switched to betting repeats on spin 21

If there were no spins prior then I would wait for more spins because it looks like it can go either way but there must have been prior spins because your first consideration was a Repeat. 

-Celtic

[denzie]

-Denzie

Tricky one. 

I have to make several assumptions here:

1. These spins do not include the initial 10
2. The initial count was 10/10 or thereabouts
3. Based on the trot I would have started betting normally and then switched to betting repeats on spin 21

If there were no spins prior then I would wait for more spins because it looks like it can go either way but there must have been prior spins because your first consideration was a Repeat. 

-Celtic

Hihi

This was a real session. First 10 spins was 9 unhit and 1 repeat. I personally never play the 11th spin. But I always play after it when it's a repeat.  So I take that little profit and restart it all . 9 out of 10 I got it .

I like the repeaters early.   

[Celticknits]

Hihi

This was a real session. First 10 spins was 9 unhit and 1 repeat. I personally never play the 11th spin. But I always play after it when it's a repeat.  So I take that little profit and restart it all . 9 out of 10 I got it .

I like the repeaters early.   

Can you post the actual numbers for the session?

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

Thanks all I got my answer of my questions.  I'm now playing with the 15 unit unit in 11-40. This is so beautiful because then you now the trot.
I have a bankroll of 400.
My win goal is around 30 units.
I have played around with different progressions but the +1/-1 is the one that works best for me.
I have doubled my bankroll as of now and I will put up some logs. But I have just started to log as nottophammer does, so it will take some time :-)
Thanks for a good system!

[nottophammer]

Glad your ?'s have been sorted. watch that trot

[denzie]

Can you post the actual numbers for the session?

-Celtic

I'll post them tomorrow mate

[RouletteGhost]

Thanks all I got my answer of my questions.  I'm now playing with the 15 unit unit in 11-40. This is so beautiful because then you now the trot.
I have a bankroll of 400.
My win goal is around 30 units.
I have played around with different progressions but the +1/-1 is the one that works best for me.
I have doubled my bankroll as of now and I will put up some logs. But I have just started to log as nottophammer does, so it will take some time :-)
Thanks for a good system!

Im a bit behind. Wait for 15 unique? Then bet the 21 unhit?

[nottophammer]

RG
If 15 have come it will leave 22 on euro

[RouletteGhost]

Ok. So wait 15 unique then go in with ktf? Right?

[tuddilue]

Im a bit behind. Wait for 15 unique? Then bet the 21 unhit?

Sorry looks like an h is missing. I mean 15 unhit.  nottophammer explains about in #241 above..

[nottophammer]

Celticknits
Away to look at non-hit and one hit is like in Winkels graph, the non-hit are high and the one hit low, is there a sweet point? as the non-hit get lighter the one hit are gaining weight, so at some point the 1x reverse there position and become an unfavorable bet, profit on them is dropping.

But because theres now more 1x than 0x, does it really make them unbetable. To me yes as more 1x come they increase in cost, unlike the 0x, at the start, they get cheaper, but its all about watching how they come

[RouletteGhost]

I know i sound like an idiot with the questions

But you mean wait until 15 non hit then bet the non hits with +1 -1

We want 21 uniqies then go in?