KTF

[nottophammer]

RG
the sheet shows workings to £1 units, you can start on a smaller unit, on that machine of death i have to use .20p units, so i dont get to the max bet of £100

[Celticknits]

Your largest drawdown was 300 and recovered? Or you stopped?

Recovered because I watched the trot and kept the faith.
I am prepared to go to $400.

Today I had a $204 drawdown and recovered not problem.
I will be posting the sheet I used soon.

-Dave

[RouletteGhost]

Im going to have to join in on this fun soon......

I have.........faith

[Celticknits]

I know i sound like an idiot with the questions

But you mean wait until 15 non hit then bet the non hits with +1 -1

We want 21 uniqies then go in?

-RG

Repeat after me "I am not an idiot...I am not an idiot...I am not an idiot..." OK now we can continue.

To answer your question:
You do not need 21 uniques.

Just take the last 10 numbers and work with them as explained in all these pages.
No fancy progressions just +1/-1.
Do not try to reinvent KTF it works fine as presented.

Learn to read the trot.
I think that you are involved in so many different systems you are just confusing yourself.
If you want to play around with different systems that is fine but KTF takes a lot of time, effort and studying to master.
If you want to play to make money then concentrate on KTF until you understand it.

As I said before, KTF has a steep learning curve but it does work IF you take the time to read the information available in this thread, the Jackpot Joy thread and anything to do with Winkels GUT procedure(s), especially on the VLS forum.

I hope this helps.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Today I decided to see how well I understand the teachings of KTF, the trot and GUT.
Refer to the attached sheet for some further explanations.

I decided I would bet as long as possible using my current knowledge of KTF and the trot and see how long I could last.
BR was $400

In the end I bet a total of 53 spins continuously.

It turned out that this would be done in 3  back to back sessions.
This was controlled by the trot not me.

Session 1
OK so I the first session I obtained the last ten numbers and bet for non hits.
This session only lasted 5 spins and I was up $35

Session 2
I decided to take the last 10 numbers spun and start a new session betting for the non hit numbers again.
This session consisted of a total of 24 spins and it went negative right from the start.
As a matter of fact I stayed at a negative balance until the very last spin and quit with a profit of $30.

Spin 14 of this session had a $204 drawdown but it did not worry me because the trot said I should recover.
Notice I said should and not would. Remember we are still gambling and we could lose......

OK after winning $65 for both those sessions I noticed that the trot said that repeats were way overdue so I decided to bet for the repeats in session 3.

After spin 11 in session 3 I was up $32 but the the trot was still good for repeats and my next bet was only $20 so if I lost I would have quit the session and still had a profit of $12 giving me a total of $77 for all three sessions.

As it turned out the next spin was a winner and I was up to $49 and only betting $18 so I decided to continue betting until my first loss.
The trot was still good.
I won the next two spins and had a session profit of $86 so far.
I lost the next spin (#14) with a bet of $16 and quit with a session 3 profit of $70.

So the total profit for the 53 spins was $35+$30+$70=$135

To summarize I have to say that I would never do this again.
It was so mentally intense to stay on top of everything going on it would not have taken much to lose track.

I am retired and this was done in mid afternoon when there were only one to two other players at the wheel so I am sure that this helped a lot.

Please note that the sheet does not show Numbers 31-36 in the block where you mark what numbers to bet and which are hit.
All Six of those numbers were bet on. (This shows in the same area of Session 2).

I hope this is helpful to answering some questions you guys may have.

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

Today I decided to see how well I understand the teachings of KTF, the trot and GUT.
Refer to the attached sheet for some further explanations.

I decided I would bet as long as possible using my current knowledge of KTF and the trot and see how long I could last.
BR was $400

In the end I bet a total of 53 spins continuously.

It turned out that this would be done in 3  back to back sessions.
This was controlled by the trot not me.

Session 1
OK so I the first session I obtained the last ten numbers and bet for non hits.
This session only lasted 5 spins and I was up $35

Session 2
I decided to take the last 10 numbers spun and start a new session betting for the non hit numbers again.
This session consisted of a total of 24 spins and it went negative right from the start.
As a matter of fact I stayed at a negative balance until the very last spin and quit with a profit of $30.

Spin 14 of this session had a $204 drawdown but it did not worry me because the trot said I should recover.
Notice I said should and not would. Remember we are still gambling and we could lose......

OK after winning $65 for both those sessions I noticed that the trot said that repeats were way overdue so I decided to bet for the repeats in session 3.

After spin 11 in session 3 I was up $32 but the the trot was still good for repeats and my next bet was only $20 so if I lost I would have quit the session and still had a profit of $12 giving me a total of $77 for all three sessions.

As it turned out the next spin was a winner and I was up to $49 and only betting $18 so I decided to continue betting until my first loss.
The trot was still good.
I won the next two spins and had a session profit of $86 so far.
I lost the next spin (#14) with a bet of $16 and quit with a session 3 profit of $70.

So the total profit for the 53 spins was $35+$30+$70=$135

To summarize I have to say that I would never do this again.
It was so mentally intense to stay on top of everything going on it would not have taken much to lose track.

I am retired and this was done in mid afternoon when there were only one to two other players at the wheel so I am sure that this helped a lot.

Please note that the sheet does not show Numbers 31-36 in the block where you mark what numbers to bet and which are hit.
All Six of those numbers were bet on. (This shows in the same area of Session 2).

I hope this is helpful to answering some questions you guys may have.

-Celtic

Impressive sessions. I have a question the session 2, you have written 6+1 but should it not be 11+1? (5+6 unhit)..

Another question, how did you know when to switch to betting on repeats? Because when I read it the trot was showing that the repeats and unhit was correct. I mean 11 unhits and 9 repeats. How did you know that it should come more repeats?

I think the progression is so steep. Should it be possible to not go so deep? I mean when you have lost 3 times you are really in the deep 

[tuddilue]

I was thinking about the progression,  has someone tested positive progression. I mean turn the +1/-1 around.

When winning you do +1 and when you loose you do -1.

That would be really interesting to see what happens   

[nottophammer]

Jackpot247.com  23.2.16     KTF  +38?

Now if you play KTF then there is no need to watch the trot as its just betting the non-hit every spin with +1/-1 to win your win target, as above ktf no watching the trot, 4 non-hit on the bounce, stands at +38 is that enough for you to stop.

If on the other hand you are watching the trot, lots to think of, think what the 12 unique showed us, 14 spins 1 repeat, countback, showing how early the non-hit are,
So are you stopping +38, or you chance for a repeat.

Remember this is a game of chance, theres no hard fast rules for the wheel, just your experiance and knowledge of how a trot could show.

What countback looks like.  dont need to do any more on the sheet i'd take the +38

[tuddilue]

Jackpot247.com  23.2.16     KTF  +38?

Now if you play KTF then there is no need to watch the trot as its just betting the non-hit every spin with +1/-1 to win your win target, as above ktf no watching the trot, 4 non-hit on the bounce, stands at +38 is that enough for you to stop.

If on the other hand you are watching the trot, lots to think of, think what the 12 unique showed us, 14 spins 1 repeat, countback, showing how early the non-hit are,
So are you stopping +38, or you chance for a repeat.

Remember this is a game of chance, theres no hard fast rules for the wheel, just your experiance and knowledge of how a trot could show.

What countback looks like.  dont need to do any more on the sheet i'd take the +38

Ok I was just curious and always interesting to learn more about the trot and how people read it and bet after it.

[tuddilue]

Have you tested some positive progression?  Would be interesting to hear what you think about it and if it is possible..

[nottophammer]

tuddilue
You will learn the trot from experiance, the topic 12 unique shows how the unique do repeat, also those 12 dont repeat for over 9 spins,but not often. Remember the LOTT, how 24 non-hit is shown to account for 20% of the 500,000 37 spin cycles.
Todays sheet shows 14 spins, 13  of the 24 has already shown, 23 spins still to come, another 11 nonhit could show,so 12 repeats could happen, well 37th spin its 24 non-hit.
Plenty of info on the forum to help understand the trot.

[Celticknits]

Impressive sessions. I have a question the session 2, you have written 6+1 but should it not be 11+1? (5+6 unhit)..

I find it easier to write them individually and just add them together in my head but you are correct the way that notto's JJ sheets are shown it would be 11+1

Another question, how did you know when to switch to betting on repeats? Because when I read it the trot was showing that the repeats and unhit was correct. I mean 11 unhits and 9 repeats. How did you know that it should come more repeats?

I looked at the number of hit numbers and compared it to the repeats since the beginning of the session (including the first 10 numbers). 21 Hits  and only 9 repeats in the the first 30 spins. Then as soon as I had a profit at spin 22 I considered switching to repeats then because the count was now 23 hit and still only 9 repeats since the beginning of the session but I was only up $3 so I decided to give it a few more spins but at that point I knew I was going to switch to betting repeats in the next few spins. I lost the next spin and won the one after that and I was at +$30 so I then switched to repeats.

I think the progression is so steep. Should it be possible to not go so deep? I mean when you have lost 3 times you are really in the deep 

In session two the progression only went to level 4.
I would have followed the progression even higher if it was required and this is why you need a $400 BR and need to Keep The Faith that it is going to work. Not easy sometimes such as session 2 when you are down $204 but if you do not have the BR or discipline to follow through I would suggest trying another method. It's not easy at times.

You have mentioned different progressions several times regarding KTF.
The progression is +1/-1 for KTF if you want to change it go ahead and try it.
I will stay with what has been tried and proven to work with it.

I hope this answers your questions.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Have you tested some positive progression?  Would be interesting to hear what you think about it and if it is possible..

Thats for you to test. Let us know you results. Thanks

[Celticknits]

Jackpot247.com  23.2.16     KTF  +38?

Now if you play KTF then there is no need to watch the trot as its just betting the non-hit every spin with +1/-1 to win your win target, as above ktf no watching the trot, 4 non-hit on the bounce, stands at +38 is that enough for you to stop.

If on the other hand you are watching the trot, lots to think of, think what the 12 unique showed us, 14 spins 1 repeat, countback, showing how early the non-hit are,
So are you stopping +38, or you chance for a repeat.

Remember this is a game of chance, theres no hard fast rules for the wheel, just your experiance and knowledge of how a trot could show.

What countback looks like.  dont need to do any more on the sheet i'd take the +38

I have hi-lited the sage words of advice above.

Maybe I should not have posted yesterday's session showing betting on repeats but I wanted to show that continuous betting including betting on repeats could be done.

I would not recommend playing three sessions in a row like I did yesterday, and, I would never do it again, because of the stress and intensity of concentration involved.

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

I hope this answers your questions.

-Celtic

Yes thank you that answers my questions!
Yes I always thinks on different progressions. I will of course test around with different approaches...