KTF

[RouletteGhost]

Yes I understand that. Just that the more I read about the GUT and understand the difference between unhit and repeaters the more I see other opportunities. Thanks for your view on it!

Ive just came down with a cough. Its like a HACK. I dont really want to HACK i hope i get better soon

The thing with humans is we seldom can keep secrets. We always somehow give ourselves away

I know what you have been doing

A little computer wiz huh?

1)Mr J's deleted emssages appear on vls
2) nathans messages deleted and who came to the rescue? you did
3) you sent me word for word a PM i sent someone else

You must be "smart" but not that smart

Yes i talked sh*t about you in a PM i have no problem admitting that

Piss off

[nottophammer]

Hi played KTF at sky vegas fun mode great results so deposited £40 and played for real 5p units stopping around 40-50 unit wins then restarting, went up to £49 then it was as if the software could tell what I was betting and it tanked. Maybe a warning to stay away from sky vegas, anybody recommend honest RNG sites

You stay on, just restarted another 10 spins? if thats the case, i would logged off, waited 30 minutes then started, in that time would if its RNG the programme moved on?
If you use the sheet i use did you write countback, I/some agree 15 non-hit in 30 spins is fair, so with countback you could see if it exaggerates runs of repeats.
At spins 11-20 the non-hit are the larger group, so 5 non-hit would be fair, but if say 3 non-hit,not fair, even on uk FOBT's i've seen only 3 non-hit, but that is very rare.
Have you looked in Jackpot joy average document, you can see the max spins for non-hit in 60 games, i'll put an up todate copy up, later

[nottophammer]

I'm posting something in Are there really 37 possible topic.
Thinking aloud, never know someone might save me some time.

[MrJ]

I have a non-rude RNG question, I honestly dont know the answer. Lets say 5 of you were playing at the same time, same table at the same RNG casino. Do you ALL have the SAME numbers at the same time?

Ken

[nottophammer]

Ken i can't answer as i only use the RNG in uk betting shops ( FOBT's)

[nottophammer]

Up date on Jackpot spins

[nottophammer]

If you look in doc
in the max hit cells  G 81 to O81, if you drag over,you should see on task bar Average is 5, count is 9  and sum 45.

So if you was to bet for the non-hits  in G81-O81 using a 5 step progression, it would only be in columns m,n and o that you would lose, M 2L's, N 1L, O 1L

[whoisthewomanme]

I have a non-rude RNG question, I honestly dont know the answer. Lets say 5 of you were playing at the same time, same table at the same RNG casino. Do you ALL have the SAME numbers at the same time?

Ken

Hi Ken,

The numbers would be different for each player unless it was considered one of the "multiplayer" RNG games.

[MrJ]

Hi Ken,

The numbers would be different for each player unless it was considered one of the "multiplayer" RNG games.

Different numbers is a dead give away for fraud against players. Places like C. Casino, everyone gets the SAME numbers. Hard to believe any fraud there and its a live wheel.

Ken

[Wally Gator]

I know you referred your enquiry to Notto but I thought you may be interested in how I would have played it.
Remember that I am betting for the repeats to hit and then removing them using a +1/-1 progression.
This is not the KTF way.

I ran the complete sequence so that you could see all of the numbers had you continued to the end.
Based on the way the numbers were going I personally would have stopped at spin #27.

-Celtic

Celtic,

Wanted to ensure I'm understanding your play.  It appears you are waiting for 20 spins, begin +1/-1 play on spin 21 and then dropping each repeat as it wins.  You are also not adding new numbers to the mix.  Is that accurate?

Many thanks,

WG

[whoisthewomanme]

Different numbers is a dead give away for fraud against players. Places like C. Casino, everyone gets the SAME numbers. Hard to believe any fraud there and its a live wheel.

Ken

How do you figure it is fraud against players? Everyone is playing their own individual game. Each spin the RNG software spits out a "random" number.

Now if it were a "multiplayer" RNG game where everyone is playing on the same wheel at the same time... it gives everyone the same number. If it gave different numbers in that situation, sure that would be fraud.

[Azim]

Hi played KTF at sky vegas fun mode great results so deposited £40 and played for real 5p units stopping around 40-50 unit wins then restarting, went up to £49 then it was as if the software could tell what I was betting and it tanked. Maybe a warning to stay away from sky vegas, anybody recommend honest RNG sites

Sorry to hear about your loss.

I have a question for you:
You looking for an honest RNG, did you expect to buy a house with 40pounds?  You doubled up your bankroll by playing 5cent's
and you decided to keep playing.

Why can't you say you got GREEDY!!!!  Instead of saying that "the software could tell what I was betting and it tanked"?

[Celticknits]

Celtic,

Wanted to ensure I'm understanding your play.  It appears you are waiting for 20 spins, begin +1/-1 play on spin 21 and then dropping each repeat as it wins.  You are also not adding new numbers to the mix.  Is that accurate?

Many thanks,

WG

-Gator

What you say is true for that particular session.
Some things are constant in all my sessions and some are not.
Compare the session sheet you are referring to to the one in Post #335
In that session I started betting at spin #16.

Constant:
1. Playing for repeats to hit. (THIS IS NOT PLAYING THE KTF WAY)
2. Progression is normally +1/-1 (see below)
3. Any hit numbers are removed

Variables
1. Entry point to start betting - This is the toughest part of this and is based on Winkels GUT strategy, Nottos avg sheets, LOTT, and the explanations of these in the posts of Winkel, Azim, TwoCatsSam and Nottophammer. This has to be learned and I am by no means at a level of competencancy comparable to the above mentioned people but I do quite well and just keep moving forward.

2. If the progression is high, say at the seventh or eighth level, and I win a spin I may drop the progression right back to the 1st level if a new high is hit. Because the overall stakes are lower than KTF but the win amount is the same, it is possible to actually lose 3 spins in a row and be at a new high with a win on the next spin.

I hope this helps answer your question.

-Celtic

[Tacwell]

Sorry to hear about your loss.

I have a question for you:
You looking for an honest RNG, did you expect to buy a house with 40pounds?  You doubled up your bankroll by playing 5cent's
and you decided to keep playing.

Why can't you say you got GREEDY!!!!  Instead of saying that "the software could tell what I was betting and it tanked"?

£40 - £49 is nowhere near doubling his bankroll and by no means GREEDY. Not in my world anyway.

[Azim]

@ Azim

Numbers are on the sheet:

0 0 27 34 24 6 33 27 6 2
12 1 7 3 21 35 5 6 2 32
36 9 28 16 0 15 16 0 6 11
31 14 34 30 4 15 24 9 18 6
24 9 0 22 8 1 12 8 14 22
32 11 28 16 2 2 32 11 32 27

I know what the number's are.

For those that are following this thread.
Instead of starting from 0 0 let's say you walk to the table in this case we log in online.

We see the number's :

35 5 6 2 32
36 9 28 16 0 15 16 0 6 11
31 14 34 30 4 15 24 9 18 6
24 9 0 22 8 1 12 8 14 22
32 11 28 16 2 2 32 11 32 27

Do the charting and see how you would have played that session.