KTF

[RouletteGhost]

Im very cautious

When i try this real money im done after 2 losses. If i lose 11 and 12 im done

Ime goin for the early wins

[Celticknits]

This game lost way back. A few places to stop with a smaller loss than i showed of 655. But the idea is to KEEP THE FAITH with the +1/-1

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 33 36
2 33 r
3 25 35
4 3 34
5 23 33
6 1 32
7 14 31
8 22 30
9 2 29 stake
10 23 r non-hit return
11 34 28 1 29 36 7
12 31 27 1 28 36 15
13 1 r 1 27 0 -12
14 1 r 2 54 0 -66
15 7 26 3 81 108 -39
16 2 r 2 52 0 -91
17 16 25 3 78 108 -61
18 22 r 2 50 0 -111
19 5 24 3 75 108 -78
20 5 r 2 48 0 -126
21 16 r 3 72 0 -198
22 22 r 4 96 0 -294
23 19 23 5 120 180 -234
24 20 22 4 92 144 -182
25 7 r 3 66 0 -248
26 30 21 4 88 144 -192
27 34 r 3 63 0 -255
28 20 r 4 84 0 -339
29 22 r 5 105 0 -444
30 33 r 6 126 0 -570
31 12 20 7 147 252 -465
32 36 19 6 120 216 -369
33 27 18 5 95 180 -284
34 14 r 4 72 0 -356
35 4 17 5 90 180 -266
36 4 r 4 68 0 -334
37 24 16 5 85 180 -239
38 1 r 4 64 0 -303
39 11 15 5 80 180 -203
40 35 14 4 60 144 -119
41 14 r 3 42 0 -161
42 26 13 4 56 144 -73
43 11 r 3 39 0 -112
44 30 r 4 52 0 -164
45 24 r 5 65 0 -229
46 5 r 6 78 0 -307
47 1 r 7 91 0 -398
48 0 12 8 104 288 -214
49 33 r 7 84 0 -298
50 13 11 8 96 288 -106
51 3 r 7 77 0 -183
52 30 r 8 88 0 -271
53 30 r 9 99 0 -370
54 4 r 10 110 0 -480
55 16 r 11 121 0 -601
56 24 r 12 132 0 -733
57 4 r 13 143 0 -876
58 26 r 14 154 0 -1030
59 29 10 15 165 540 -655
60 27


Look where you could have stopped, spin 40, it has got exactly the 15 non-hit in 30 spins. Damage was done in spins 21-30 only 3 non-hit. Countback idea, that weren't about yet, shows the story.

This is how I would have played it and how I would have been thinking during the session.

After the first 10 spins I would not have played KTF until I saw more spins.
After spin#12 we have an overall count of 10+3 and I am starting to lean towards betting repeats but still want more spins.
After spin#14 count is 10+1 and I am still thinking to bet repeats but still not convinced to start betting so wait.
The next 6 spins are choppy and after spin #20 the overall count is 13+3. To me looking even better to bet repeats but at this point I would still wait to see which way this os going to go.
Spin 21 and 22 are repeats and overall count is 13+1 lets see what happens to notto's 15 in 30 average in the next few spins is what I am thinking.
After next two spins the 15 in 30 average on nottos sheets has been met and I would have started to bet the repeats and looked for 3-4 wins starting at spin 25

Spin 25 wins 26 loses and the next 4 win.
Because of all the drama to this point I would have quit at spin 28 which would have been the third win for a profit of $62
If I continue:
Spin 29 wins for a profit of $84
Spin 30 wins for a profit of  $107

This where you have to curtail the greed monster and why I would have quit at the third win.

I hope this is informative to some.

-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

This is how I would have played it and more importantly how I would have been thinking during the session.

After the first 10 spins I would not have played KTF until I saw more spins.
After spin#12 we have an overall count of 10+3 and I am starting to lean towards betting repeats but still want more spins.
After spin#14 count is 10+1 and I am still thinking to bet repeats but still not convinced to start betting so wait.
The next 6 spins are choppy and after spin #20 the overall count is 13+3. To me looking even better to bet repeats but at this point I would still wait to see which way this os going to go.
Spin 21 and 22 are repeats and overall count is 13+1 lets see what happens to notto's 15 in 30 average in the next few spins is what I am thinking.
After next two spins the 15 in 30 average on nottos sheets has been met and I would have started to bet the repeats and looked for 3-4 wins starting at spin 25

Spin 25 wins 26 loses and the next 4 win.
Because of all the drama to this point I would have quit at spin 28 which would have been the third win for a profit of $62
If I continue:
Spin 29 wins for a profit of $84
Spin 30 wins for a profit of  $107

This where you have to curtail the greed monster and why I would have quit at the third win.

I hope this is informative to some.

-Celtic

Celtic why would u wait for more spins before playing ktf after spin 10

[Celticknits]

Damn , I've should had taken the early wins

26
22
3
17
28
20
0
10
28
34
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19
22
31
1
1
23
11
33
1
21
1
11
28
1
34
34
31
15
24
13
9
13
4
17
9
18
26
20
3
32

Are these numbers from one of your recent sessions?

-Celtic

[denzie]

Yes , from today on Unibet RNG

[nottophammer]

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Date          win lose total
23.12.15 56
24.12.15 93
27.12.15 57
28.12.15 52
29.12.15 45
30.12.15 50
31.12.15 50
02.01.16 56
03.01.16 65
04.01.16 57
05.01.16 45
06.01.16 51
07.01.16 50
08.01.16 59
09.01.16 45
10.01.16 47
11.01.16 49
12.01.16 51
13.01.16 50
14.01.16 59
15.01.16 45
16.01.16 45
17.01.16 50
18.01.16 45
19.01.16 38
20.01.16 43
21.01.16 45 1398
22.01.16 655
23.01.16 52
24.01.16 50
25.01.16 38
26.01.16 50
27.01.16 38
28.01.16 57
29.01.16 48
30.01.16 54
31.01.16 56
01.02.16 46
02.02.16 51
03.02.16 45
04.02.16 54
05.02.16 46
06.02.16 39
07.02.16 45
08.02.16 42
09.02.16 44
10.02.16 53
11.02.16 34
12.02.16 38
13.02.16 47
14.02.16 45
15.02.16 50
16.02.16 59
17.02.16 45
18.02.16 56
19.02.16 29
20.02.16 59
21.02.16 45
22.02.16 66
23.02.16 38
24.02.16 51
25.02.16 53
26.02.16 57
27.02.16 50
28.02.16 53
29.02.16 44





        3225 655 2570


[Celticknits]

Yes , from today on Unibet RNG

-Dennie

If you run the numbers you will see that after spin #18 you the overall count is 15+2 so using Nottos 15 unhits in 30 spins this should be a flag that repeats should come very soon.

I love ones like this because your stake is only $15 and covers the Zero and you recover so much faster when you lose a spin.
Start betting on repeats at Spin #19 and this is what would have happened.

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
19 1 R 15 1 15 36 21 21
20 21 14 1 14 -14 7
21 1 14 2 28 -28 -21
22 11 R 14 3 42 108 66 45
23 28 R 13 2 26 72 46 91
24 1 12 1 12 -12 79
25 34 R 12 2 24 72 48 127
26 34 11 1 11 -11 116
27 31 R 11 2 22 72 50 166
28 15 10 1 10 -10 156
29 24 10 2 20 -20 136
30 13 10 3 30 -30 106


I usually quit after 3 wins when betting repeats but the count is so good I would have gone for 4 wins, in this case +$127.00 but even the third win would have given you +$91.

So many ways to think about this one.
Just do not get greedy.

It would have been interesting to have more numbers and see how this one progressed.

-Celtic

[denzie]

Celtic ,

Your way of playing this seems to do very good. How many sessions did you play like this ? Big dd?  Highest progression level ?

[Celticknits]

Celtic ,

Your way of playing this seems to do very good. How many sessions did you play like this ? Big dd?  Highest progression level ?

Sometimes I think too good and am just waiting for a RFH.

As I said last week right now I am only playing for repeats and I have played in total maybe 12 - 15 sessions like this.
I've had progression levels to about 8 and DDs to $250 but that is rare because the stakes are lower than KTF and you recover a lot faster because of this.

As an example: On the JJ from hell that Notto posted earlier today from January 22  betting repeats the max drawdown was $32 and the maximum progression level was only 2. Look at post #406

As you know the MAIN trick is know when to start betting.
This I seem to be either quite good at or very very lucky.

You have to be careful of the greed factor and that was how I got to level 8 as mentioned above.
I did not lose the session but pissed away a few hundred dollars and I had already won about 7 times at that point.
I only aim for three wins when betting repeats but if the numbers are good, like in your case, I will go for 4, 5 maximum.

Hope this helps.

-Celtic

[denzie]

I'll post a session in a bit where I've got a ton of non - hitters. ...... very curious how you handle them.

[RouletteGhost]

Celtic when you play for repeats do you wait for a certain nunber of uniques?

[denzie]

Ok here it is. Also a real session on Unibet.
Celtic....

23
25
8
19
28
26
12
33
34
3
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9
23  r
36
10
9    r
18
5
31
11
26   r
1
8     r
21
13
3     r
17
16
27
14
31   r
2
4
14   r
20
26   r
20   r
30
11   r
7
24

[nottophammer]

If you played just non-hit +56 #11

[RouletteGhost]

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Date          win lose total
23.12.15 56
24.12.15 93
27.12.15 57
28.12.15 52
29.12.15 45
30.12.15 50
31.12.15 50
02.01.16 56
03.01.16 65
04.01.16 57
05.01.16 45
06.01.16 51
07.01.16 50
08.01.16 59
09.01.16 45
10.01.16 47
11.01.16 49
12.01.16 51
13.01.16 50
14.01.16 59
15.01.16 45
16.01.16 45
17.01.16 50
18.01.16 45
19.01.16 38
20.01.16 43
21.01.16 45 1398
22.01.16 655
23.01.16 52
24.01.16 50
25.01.16 38
26.01.16 50
27.01.16 38
28.01.16 57
29.01.16 48
30.01.16 54
31.01.16 56
01.02.16 46
02.02.16 51
03.02.16 45
04.02.16 54
05.02.16 46
06.02.16 39
07.02.16 45
08.02.16 42
09.02.16 44
10.02.16 53
11.02.16 34
12.02.16 38
13.02.16 47
14.02.16 45
15.02.16 50
16.02.16 59
17.02.16 45
18.02.16 56
19.02.16 29
20.02.16 59
21.02.16 45
22.02.16 66
23.02.16 38
24.02.16 51
25.02.16 53
26.02.16 57
27.02.16 50
28.02.16 53
29.02.16 44





        3225 655 2570


very nice notto

question: on all the wins you have there, not including the big 600 loss, what was the largest draw down?

[Celticknits]

Ok here it is. Also a real session on Unibet.
Celtic....

23
25
8
19
28
26
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33
34
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23  r
36
10
9    r
18
5
31
11
26   r
1
8     r
21
13
3     r
17
16
27
14
31   r
2
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14   r
20
26   r
20   r
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11   r
7
24

-Dennie

OK-Remember I am betting for repeats.
Notto already posted re winning with KTF at spin #19.

Betting for repeats I notice at spin 17 the overall count is 15+3 so I will start betting for repeats starting at spin 18 and see how the count progresses.

At spin #25 I would have quit with +63 because I have my 3 wins and I do not like how choppy the flow is.

If you look closely you will see a total of 8 bets consisting of 5 losses and only three wins.
Maximum risk was $96
Where else can you lose more than you win and still come out ahead.

If you run the numbers for KTF you will have seven wins and 2 losses and place 9 bets with a maximum of $71 at risk.

As I said earlier with your first set of numbers it would have been nice to have more numbers because the main repeat run has not started yet and I am sure that I would have hung around and waited for the little buggers.

Also if you were really adventuresome you could have run KTF  from spin #11 and then continued with betting the repeats but I warn you it is stressful doing it that way. I have done it once or twice but you have watch the count like a hawk and play accordingly.

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
18 31 16 1 16 -16 -16
19 11 16 2 32 -32 -48
20 26 R 16 3 48 108 60 12
21 1 15 1 15 -15 -3
22 8 R 15 2 30 72 42 39
23 21 14 1 14 -14 25
24 13 14 2 28 -28 -3
25 3 R 14 3 42 108 66 63



-Celtic