KTF

[RouletteGhost]

At the end of the day MATH says you will get caught, but when, KTF using jackpot 247.com has lost once in 83 games. Why, to me, because it uses the larger group non-hit.

Notto I am beyond convinced that ktf works.

The one bust you had in 83 games, what was the stop loss?

Whatever stop loss you are using works if you only have to use it 1 out of 83 times

Thanks

[nottophammer]

Now if you really like to know box 2 avg is 7 non-hit,box 3 avg is 5 and box 4  avg is 3. But you'll give some math jargon that means not a lot to me.
Like maestro if your going to talk z score, other math stuff, dont bother as i will be betting non-hit not waiting for the math to kick in

[Foolwise]

Well sure that distribution looks really nice, but one sample does not represent the whole population, obviously. Anyway, I get you are betting for the larger group and that larger groups represent better odds for winning. However, larger groups of non hits also mean larger bets. And once you loose one round, you need to win more than one round to make up for the loss. Therefor it is all relative. I bet if you do the math, chance to win (36/hits) x betting amount < chance to loose (36/non hits) x betting amount

Believe me ramonnetje, I had the same views when I looked at this yesterday. But after playing through several series, and running simulations through multiple sets I can better see whats happening here. You are absolutely right in terms of larger groups mean larger bets and you need to win more than one round to make for the losses. And the formula is also only true if you are doing flat bets. Largely there is a correlation between what is happening in spins 1-10 and 11-40. Sure there are outliers. In my trials I have also got 10 non-hits in the first 10, but only one non-hit in the next 30. Following is how it looks like for the first 10 spins and the next 40 for over 1600 trials of 40 spins.



Am getting an average non-hit of 16.5 in 11-30 when considering only 10 non-hits and 9 non-hits in the first 10 spins. Sure that comes down from 16.9 when i consider all possibilities in 10 spins. It all comes down to finding the optimum number to go for and then the progression associated with it, as there are hundreds of possibilities depending on the position in which the non-hits come through. Earlier they come the better and 11-20 is really the key.

After all as the name indicates, I think one should just Keep the faith and go blind when playing this one. I am getting similar results like notto in my trials so far.

[ramonnetje]

Notto: and surely I respect that. It is not that I am not disapproving anything you do, I just want to make sense out of it. But so far your strategy has been paying off so no complaints  Good luck!

Foolwise: that looks really interesting. Do you think you would be able incorporate bankroll progression for all the 1600 trials? Than look at box 2,3,4. In how many of the trials would you end up with $40+ and how many trials do not reach 40$ and eventually will bust putting the tresshold at $-400. Omitting the human factor that tells us when to quite or not, just looking at raw data. Do you see that the total of $40+ trials when accumulated is larger than the total of losses? What does it tell you? I am also interested whether there is a difference for 7/10, 8/10, 9/10 and 10/10. Furthermore I am interested how the winnings are distributed over box 1 (11-20), 2(21-30), 3(31-40). Would you be capable of looking into that? I think that would provide us with some sort of proof right, and moreover first step towards creating some rules. I think for example if we could say that when 9/10 and you have 2/3 hits on 11-15 you should continue betting because the odds are in your favor by x%. What do you think? In the end we cannot predict something that is randomized, however you can try to benefit from certain trends and progression of numbers. Atleast that is what I think

[Foolwise]

I will try guvnor. Not now though, as I am bit short of time. But this is a very interesting one for me and I will send updates as soon as am able to do something about this.

[Celticknits]

Here are my B&M American 00 Wheel numbers from yesterday March 16th and the KTF payout sheet.

-Notto
Correct me if I am wrong but I think that it could be safely said that betting KTF is a method, follow the rules and you win more than you lose.
In comparison betting repeats is a strategy and there are decisions YOU have to make.

To clarify I only bet the repeats for several reasons:
1. There is more control over when you want to start betting --- In KTF you start betting the unhit numbers at spin #11 and ride the wave or pick a spot to quit with a win or loss.
2. I have found that the drawdowns are a lot smaller betting the repeats --- In the numbers posted here look at the bet at spin #46. Myself, I am not willing to risk $902 to make the $30-$40 KTF win limit.
3. I want to spend as little time as possible looking for approximately a $100 win. With todays posted numbers I started betting the repeats at spin #27 and quit after spin #31 with $78 profit which means I was only sitting at the table for a total of 16 spins, and only betting on 5 spins.

I would suggest that if you are interested in betting repeats you take todays posted numbers, or your own, and see how you would have bet the repeats.

AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN APOLOGIZE TO NOTTO FOR BRINGING UP BETTING REPEATS AND STATE THAT I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING REPEATS IN THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE KTF THREAD AND KTF HAS A SET METHOD OF PLAY THAT HAS BEEN OUTLINED MANY TIMES IN IT'S PAGES. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING BETTING REPEATS PLEASE PM ME.

March 16 1016 KTF payout sheet

Code Select Expand



S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11 34 28 1 28 36 8 8
12 00 27 1 27 36 9 17
13 5 R 26 1 26 -26 -9
14 14 R 26 2 52 -52 -61
15 12 R 26 3 78 -78 -139
16 24 26 4 104 144 40 -99
17 33 25 3 75 108 33 -66
18 18 R 24 2 48 -48 -114
19 19 R 24 3 72 -72 -186
20 9 24 4 96 144 48 -138
21 24 R 23 3 69 -69 -207
22 4 R 23 4 92 -92 -299
23 15 23 5 115 180 65 -234
24 31 22 4 88 144 56 -178
25 21 21 3 63 108 45 -133
26 32 20 2 40 72 32 -101
27 29 19 1 19 36 17 -84
28 21 R 18 1 18 -18 -102
29 00 R 18 2 36 -36 -138
30 34 R 18 3 54 -54 -192
31 5 R 18 4 72 -72 -264
32 26 18 5 90 180 90 -174
33 25 17 4 68 144 76 -98
34 12 R 16 3 48 -48 -146
35 15 R 16 4 64 -64 -210
36 00 R 16 5 80 -80 -290
37 11 16 6 96 216 120 -170
38 31 R 15 5 75 -75 -245
39 30 R 15 6 90 -90 -335
40 6 15 7 105 252 147 -188
41 14 R 14 6 84 -84 -272
42 15 R 14 7 98 -98 -370 ----------- Suggested BR for KTF is $400 ---Now what???
43 15 R 14 8 112 -112 -482
44 35 R 14 9 126 -126 -608
45 11 R 14 10 140 -140 -748----------------- Next bet is a $902 risk
46 8 14 11 154 396 242 -506
47 3 13 10 130 360 230 -276
48 2 12 9 108 324 216 -60
49 1 11 8 88 288 200 140
50 3 R 10 7 70 -70 70
51 33 R 10 8 80 -80 -10
52 0 10 9 90 324 234 224
53 36 9 8 72 288 216 440
54 22 8 7 56 252 196 636
55 7 7 6 42 216 174 810
56 14 R 6 5 30 -30 780



-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Celts your box 2,3,4 look fimilar, oh yes todays jackpots boxes as the mathboys call them. Must be a fluke

[RouletteGhost]

Notto I am beyond convinced that ktf works.

The one bust you had in 83 games, what was the stop loss?

Whatever stop loss you are using works if you only have to use it 1 out of 83 times

Thanks

Notto. You had 1 bust. What was your stoploss?. Thanks

Word on the street is 400. Thanks again

[denzie]

@ Celticknits. .... I would choose a different session. Or next table   
What I do frequently is go for 1 hit if the count not good. Don't we always get 1 hit ?
Over 400 rng sessions now. And I had 1 ....yes 1 session where I didn't got 1 hit. (Yes real money). Best thing I ever seen.

Any of you guys/girls know some online live casino where you have 45 seconds or more to place your bets ?

[tuddilue]

@ Celticknits. .... I would choose a different session. Or next table   
What I do frequently is go for 1 hit if the count not good. Don't we always get 1 hit ?
Over 400 rng sessions now. And I had 1 ....yes 1 session where I didn't got 1 hit. (Yes real money). Best thing I ever seen.

Any of you guys/girls know some online live casino where you have 45 seconds or more to place your bets ?

So this is your 10 progression you where talking the other day? So it is working?

He he of course I now a live casino 

[Celticknits]

Celts your box 2,3,4 look fimilar, oh yes todays jackpots boxes as the mathboys call them. Must be a fluke

-Notto

I do not see it.

When I play I use a sheet similiar to yours but it is such a mess by the end of the session that I also record the numbers onto one of the cards provided by the casino and use it to make up the charts posted. Attached is that card from yesterdays session.

Edited:------I  think see what you mean. Was not aware you were talking about the trot/count and thought you were talking about the actual numbers. Boy that would have been interesting.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

@ Celticknits. .... I would choose a different session. Or next table   
I would too but as we only have one table at my casino I just do a reset

What I do frequently is go for 1 hit if the count not good. Don't we always get 1 hit ?
Over 400 rng sessions now. And I had 1 ....yes 1 session where I didn't got 1 hit. (Yes real money). Best thing I ever seen.

Any of you guys/girls know some online live casino where you have 45 seconds or more to place your bets ?
Had to laugh....It is a challenge getting the bets out there at the beginning sometimes.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

 denzie
try jackpot247.com its airball think they have 45 seconds

[denzie]

So this is your 10 progression you where talking the other day? So it is working?

He he of course I now a live casino 

No no , this is playing NCRS .

I need ONLINE live casino 

[denzie]

denzie
try jackpot247.com its airball think they have 45 seconds

Alright thanks Notto. Good idea actually. As I win on ALL your sheets posted here.

More casino's?  Anyone?