KTF

[NextYear]

An old brother of the KTF 

Thanks Kattila, hopefully it won't disappear as happened to some other threads...

[nottophammer]

Did anybody tape todays #'s, my sky box is playing up, have to do a rebuild

[nottophammer]

What about flatbet for KTF, will it work? =)

I kept a sheet on flat bets, it does manage to stay infront but by only a small profit. Not enough to give up he day job.

[nottophammer]

18 is how many non-hit in 30 spins, 3.40 is it made a minus, below 19 non-hit 12.4 made plus

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18 3.4
19 12.4

16 16.4
14 42.6
18 4.8


15 16.4
15 25.8
16 3.4
17 2.6
16 13.4
18 27.8
18 1.6
14 31.4
16 4.2
15 18.4
23 56.6
13 35.2
14 26.2
21 54.6
16 12
19 21
16 2.6
17 9.2
17 10
19 19.6
17 1.6
18 11.6
18 8.6
19 16.4
16 3.6
19 25.8
17 2.8
16 8.8
20 29.6
18 14.2
16 3.2
15 19.4
17 2.8
18 12.8
16 3.8
18 19.2
16 9
17 9.8
16 20.6
16 20.4
19 21
14 28
17 5.8
18 7.2
19 22
15 12
16 12.6
17 1.4
13 41.4
16 6.6
16 1.8
18 11.6
18 7.2
12 7
18 27
18 8.2
18 8.4
16 13.2
18 9.8

16 3.6
14 39.2
17 0.2
16 0.8
13 11.4
15 6.8
16 11.2
21 50
19 22
18 29.2
18 11
19 25.4
17 7.2
19 21.4
15 7.8
16 8.8
14 25
15 22
17 2.8
17 1.6
15 10.6
15 11
17 0.8
13 44.4
19 18.8
19 27
17 8.2
14 22.6
15 6
16 4
17 16.6
18 17.8
17 1
14 20
19 2.6
18 15
18 6.6
14 0.6
17 18.4
16 5
16 7.6
20 42.8
19 20.6
15 3.2
20 13.4
17 10.8
12 44.6
15 17
17 8.6
17 12.6
14 6
14 31.6
15 7.4
15 10.2
18 6.8
19 31.2
15 7.6
16 11
12 24
16 1.2
17 5.8
18 24.2
17 12.4
14 27.4
17 17
15 3.4
15 21.2
18 15
15 4.6
19 41.8
15 7.4
20 38.4
18 16.8
15 4.2
17 8.4
17 0.2
16 10.4
15 19
18 20.8
22 48
16 5
22 64.6
18 9.2
15 11.4
17 15
15 8.4
13 36.2
15 12.8
12 8.4
18 22.2
16 3.2
15 14
16 5.2
16 12.6
17 20
17 10.2
19 45.6
17 28.4
15 6
17 16.2
13 15.8
16 7
18 8.2
15 18.4
15 12.6
16 8.2
15 6
14 2.2
19 36.4
20 37.4
17 7.8
18 19.2
14 20.8
17 1.6
15 10.6
18 32.8
14 15.4
18 12.8
15 24.2
18 12.4
17 7.8
15 16
15 12.6
18 13.8
12 52.2
16 8
17 6.2
11 56.6
18 15.8
15 1.4
18 23.6
18 20.2
15 19
17 15.2
18 2.2
16 14.2
15 1.2
18 16.8
16 1
19 24.2
17 6.6
17 5.4
17 5.8
14 26
18 1.2
18 20.6
16 8.8
18 36
12 24.2
13 34.4
12 20
16 2.6
19 23.6
15 14.4
16 3
17 4.4
15 11.6
18 22.2
17 4.6
16 12.2
17 11.6
16 12.6
13 38.2
15 23.2
14 22.4
17 10
16 0.4
15 7.6
18 24.4
13 35.2
15 13
17 5
17 9.4
15 24.4
16 2.6
15 11
10 7.6
11 0.8
20 24.4
16 12
17 2.8
19 24.8
11 54.4
16 0.4
15 14.6
18 26.4
17 10.6
16 13.2
16 2.2
12 0 0
16 3.8
8 1.8
14 2.6
16 9.6
13 42
16 8
15 16.2
15 5.4
17 3.6

12 53
13 28
17 13.4
16 0.6
15 6.8
18 21.6
16 7.2
16 1.2
16 8
17 8
14 18.4
20 36.4
20 34.6
17 18.2
14 36.4
15 14.6
18 16.8
17 13.2
16 2
14 24
14 27.6
15 13.4
19 32.4
15 10.4
16 4.6
14 20.4
17 33
15 4.8
18 15.4
16 3.2
14 20.8
20 38.2
18 27.6
15 7.8
15 3
15 14.2
15 4.8
13 33.8
15 7.2
17 18.2
18 24.8
16 4.4
16 4.6
16 16.6
11 51.6
16 6.6
18 21.2
15 10.4
15 11.4
14 24
17 18.8
15 23
13 12.8
16 2.6
15 6
15 8.4
14 16
18 13.2
14 7.2
14 23.8
14 8.4
18 30
15 15.8
17 10.6
16 3.2
16 19
17 11
15 9.6
15 5.6
15 5.6
17 1.6
16 5.8
16 9.2
13 24.6
17 11.4
15 12.8
16 3
15 16.8
12 38.8
16 1.2
17 12.8
15 10.6
14 17.2
14 14.2
13 19.2
16 15
14 17.6
16 15.6
15 0.8
18 21.4
11 48.2
17 14.2
14 26.4
18 24
14 20.8
13 30.4
16 6.2
13 20
18 31.4
15 10.4
18 17.6
17 13.6
17 5
14 19.8
15 11
17 11.4
16 11.4
18 18.2
16 8
17 13.6
17 23.6
15 2.6
16 1.6
12 40.6
14 27
13 19.2
13 28.8
13 30.8
16 4.2
14 3.4
16 2.6
18 30.4
18 27
17 7.6
17 20.2
17 27.4
17 31.8
14 27.4
12 25.2
16 6.6
16 11.2
20 35.2
17 13.8
15 9.2
18 24.8
16 4.4
18 27.4
16 7.2
16 2.2
13 20.6
17 18.6
17 1.6
15 11
19 28
17 5.6
18 28.4
17 18.8
16 2.4
15 12.2
16 2.6
18 19.8
15 13
18 25.8
15 0.2
17 19
19 43.6
16 16.8
16 7
11 36
13 29.6
17 14.4
18 16.8
15 9
18 27.4
14 20.8
17 20.8
15 19.6
15 9.4
13 21
15 8.4
13 13
18 22.8
16 1.2
14 23.6
15 8.4
14 14.4
16 8.6
15 11
14 24.6
14 6.4
13 17.4
15 6
17 16.4
17 18
16 0.6
16 5.8
14 13.4
17 15.8
17 15.8
15 3.6
15 9.4
16 11.4
15 7.2
15 4.8
15 9.4
14 11.6
17 21.2
17 4
15 5.2
12 35.6
12 18.4
16 6
12 26
22 57.8
22 69
15 5
15 3.2
14 14.8
13 26.4
19 33.2
14 9.4
16 11.6
21 42.6
20 43.6
15 5
18 33.4
13 27.6
15 15
13 21.2
18 21.8
16 6.6
20 35.2
16 0.8
15 11
13 27.6
16 3.2
15 5.8
17 18.8
15 3.6
15 4.8
14 18.6
19 13.2
18 21.6
16 0.2
18 25.6
16 2
18 21.6
16 8.4
12 46.6
16 5.4
16 9.2
15 14.8
17 15.2
15 7
16 22.2
18 32
16 8.8
19 37.2
16 4.8
16 4.8
17 8
15 18.6
15 19
16 2.6
15 12
13 9
12 22.6
17 0.8
16 16.6
15 11.8
16 30.2
15 0.4
17 10.8
18 25.8
14 5.8
12 41.2
16 5
16 0.6
17 22
17 25.8
15 10
15 13.6
15 7.6
21 42
14 21
13 29.2
18 24
16 5.2
18 14.8
17 5
14 20.8
20 41
17 6.8
20 44
17 9.6
18 22.2
15 4.4
15 9
15 3.2
15 15
15 2.6
16 10.6
14 18.6
18 17.8
14 22.8
16 0.6
17 7.8
17 7.6
17 18.2
16 0.6
17 11.6
13 2.8
16 4.2
16 2.8
18 19.8
17 9.6
13 23.2
18 23.6
14 5.4
12 28.4
15 5.6
13 21
17 8.2
17 4.4
17 3.6
17 8
15 1.2
17 8.8
17 16.4
15 10.4
19 46
17 13.4
18 29.8
17 15
16 8.6
14 18.4
14 1.6
16 2
13 18.6
17 10.2
17 25.4
16 1
17 8.6
13 0.6
13 29
14 19
14 16
18 23
16 15.2
15 6.2
14 13.6
15 1.4
15 7.6
15 12.4
18 17.8
13 22
16 6.4
14 10.8
14 15.2
16 5.8
14 25.2
16 1.8
16 0 0
17 16
15 11.6
16 3.6
17 14.8
15 10.6
15 6.4
15 5.6
18 29.2
13 6
13 20
14 12
15 0.8
16 5.4
13 9.8


13
15 20.8
14 4.4
16 13.4
13 6.8
16 16.4
17 19.8
13 12.2
16 36.8
12 32.4
18 11.4
14 18.6
17 42.4
14 12
17 42
11 20
13 34.2
18 13.2
16 10
13 1.4
16 27.8
17 8.8
16 43
19 6
16 16.8
17 23
16 6.2
15 11.8
17 62.4
9 6.2
15 9.8
14 14
17 16.8
12 3.8
15 8.2
15 8
14 23.8
17 18.2
14 25
13 35.8
18 25
17 0.4
14 0
16 31
13 25.4
17 15.8
14 1
16 12.6
14 4.8
15 23.4
13 0.6
15 1.4
15 10.8
16 12.8
14 8
14 3.6
17 17.4
13 3.8
14 32
12 0.2
15 0.4
15 8.2
17 7.4
13 16.6
14 11.8
17 14.2
16 4
15 12.4
14 24.2
13 19.2
17 3.6
16 2
15 11.6
17 2
16 15.4
15 13.4
15 35.4
18 13.4
16 2.2
15 4
14 20
12 25.2
13 29.2
12 3
16 23
17 16.4
16 16.6
14 4.6
14 8.6
16 31
13 14.4
17 7.6
15 12
12 6
17 15.6
16 9.6
16 27.2
18 13.2
16 11.2
17 4.8
16 40
19 7.6
16 7.2
14 6.6
16 25.6
17 20.8
18 5.8
14 7.4
14 9.2
16 11.2
14 5.2
14 5.6
16 36.6
19 12.6
16 19.6
16 18.2
12 7.8
15 28.8
13 7.4
16 26
13 28.8
18 21
13 12.8
17 1.4
16 34.6
12 2.8
16 52
21 14.4
13 14.4
17 3.6
14 51
19 32.8
18 7.6
15 1.4
16 45.8
20 27.8
18 42.4
19 22.6
18 27.6
19 22.6
13 25.2
17 1.6
15 9.6
17 31.8
17 24.4
19 4.4
13 13.2
17 23.6
12 16.6
17 3.4
14 10.8
15 7.8
14 9.2
16 10.8
16 33.2
17 22.6
13 12.4
14 4
15 37.4
12 4
13 14.2
16 24.8
17 13.6
16 26.4
17 37.2
19 23.2
14 11.6
14 22.6
17 3.2
15 15.8
13 28.6
18 5.2
14 1.8
14 10.4
14 26
17 4.2
15 1
15 27.6
18 15.8
16 33.6
19 15.2
16 9
16 5
15 5.6
15 3.8
14 9.2
15 2.4
16 10.6
15 48
20 0 0
16 27.4
18 9.2
13 21.6
13 4.2
14 19
13 0.2
15 15.4
14 37
18 5.4
15 1.2
16 3.8
15 8.8
14 6.8
15 9.4
17 34.8
17 18.2
17 10.6
15 8.4
17 5.8
15 12.8
18 11.6
14 17
17 13
16 8.4
16 20.6
13 0.2
15 10.6
15 3.6
15 22
13 6.8
16 31.8
18 39.2
12 15.2
13 3.6
15 39.2
18 39.8
10 28.8
18 15.8
14 45.2
11 9
16 16.2
16 49.4
11 7
18 11.8
17 36.6
19 2.8
16 11
14 9.2
16 17
10 28.2 0
13 4.4
14 28.4
16 20.2
13 11.8
12 7.8
15 28.2
13 25.8
17 18
17
6078.2 7613.4


minus 6078.2    plus 7613.4

[praline]

it`s much more easier to place bets with norcosoft`s tracker and clicker

link:://betselection.cc/norcosoft/gut-tracker-ew-clicker-for-european-wheel/


i use it for both KTF and WTF,  alsoo there is a retract 20 option which is very usefull  for wtf

[NextYear]

Did anybody tape todays #'s, my sky box is playing up, have to do a rebuild

Maybe you can find numbers on their web site?
Then you wouldn't have to tape it...

Just suggestion.

[nottophammer]

Thanks for suggestion NY
I've rebuilt the box so hope will tape #'s for 2.4.16

[nottophammer]

Yesterdays #'s flat bet over the spins 11-40. stop at 26th non-hit. so shows +7.6, but there is still 3 spins*2.2 which would mean a £1 profit

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11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11
5.4 5.2 5 4.8 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2
1 2 1 1 6 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 3
5.4 10.4 5 4.8 27.6 4.4 8.4 4 7.6 3.6 3.4 3.2 12 2.8 2.6 2.4 107.6

115.2 7.6

If we stop as soon as 15 non-hit have hit,which would be spin36 you can see 15*7.2=108 less the 105.2 stakes, so for .20p units plus 2.80 or for £1 units be +£14

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11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12
5.4 5.2 5 4.8 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3 2.8 2.6 2.4
1 2 1 1 6 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 4 1 1 0
5.4 10.4 5 4.8 27.6 4.4 8.4 4 7.6 3.6 3.4 3.2 12 2.8 2.6 105.2

108 2.8


Of the 97 games on jackpot247.com these are the non-hit in 30 spins

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12 0
13 5
14 13
15 19
16 29
17 18
18 8
19 5
20 0

Of the 97, 18 games did not manage to get 15non-hit, but 79 got 15 non-hit, some before 30 spins would be up.
The earlier the 15 non-hit come would mean more profit ?

[ati]

If a method won't work when flat betting then it will fail over time with a progression as well.

I'm not entirely sure about that. Let's say you win every 3rd bet, that would be a constant loser flat bet, and a constant winner with certain progressions. Using a progression isn't necessarily a bad thing if it suits for the bet selection.

[psimoes]

Ati, while ideally that would work, in the real world there´s no such thing as a constant LLLW because of variance.
Progressions could kill the HE if there were no table limits though.

[RouletteGhost]

Ati, while ideally that would work, in the real world there´s no such thing as a constant LLLW because of variance.
Progressions could kill the HE if there were no table limits though.

this is why i am a firm believer if we have a progression that stays within the table limits to tackle the variance while at the same time betting against patterns can lead to success

see javinci post in grassroots thread. up 30k doing just that

[The General]

Guys,

You need to define your rules so that you don't curve fit along the way.

[nottophammer]

Well show taped but only an hour long.  Jackpot247.com 2.4.16  KTF +51 #14
Only 34 spins, but everyone will be happy with their winnings.
Didn't get a 13,31 but we did get a 12,21 does that mean anything?

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jackpotjoy 2.4.16
1 10
2 24
3 5
4 28
5 18
6 27
7 22
8 24
9 26
10 23
11 31
12 6
13 20
14 17
15 17
16 15
17 14
18 13
19 32
20 35
21 19
22 3
23 5
24 31
25 0
26 27
27 32
28 18
29 7
30 34
31 30
32 12
33 21
34 23

Oh yeah fast game

[nottophammer]

For flat bet fans of todays #'s obviously theres 1 spin of 2.2 to deduct  so be +36 for .20p units,if for £1 units + 180

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11
5.6 5.4 5.2 5 4.8 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2
1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 4 1 1 1 1
5.6 5.4 5.2 5 9.6 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 10.2 12.8 3 2.8 2.6 2.4
84.2
122.4 38.2

If we stop at 15th non-hit  +23.8 as above +119

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11
5.6 5.4 5.2 5 4.8 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2
1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 4 1 1
5.6 5.4 5.2 5 9.6 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 10.2 12.8 3 2.8 0 0
84.2
108 23.8



[RayManZ]

I dont really understand your table, but if you're saying the flat betting KTF would win in the long run. Why not bet KTF with really high stakes? So the table limit max. Online it's 500 units on a single number.