KTF

[MrJ]

Guys,

You need to define your rules so that you don't curve fit along the way.

lol, I had made this same comment (in private). You cant look back at results and then say....I would of bet this here and bet on that number there etc.....and THEN count it as wins.

Ken

[tuddilue]

lol, I had made this same comment (in private). You cant look back at results and then say....I would of bet this here and bet on that number there etc.....and THEN count it as wins.

Ken

Yes it was the same for me in the beginning.  But it exist a really good description by Celticknits. Maybe that one can be added first in the thread?

[goldrosen]

lol, I had made this same comment (in private). You cant look back at results and then say....I would of bet this here and bet on that number there etc.....and THEN count it as wins.

Ken

That is what I see happening in WTF thread a lot, "I would have played like this n that", never had a losing session, so funny lol, if its real play then I think they will say something like "I should have played like this!" after they have busted..but IMP i think KTF is okay..u can just follow the rules as stated n take only the first winning, then the only one lossing session frm Nottophammer is not counted..then its really no lossing so far lol just sayin

Ps: You will never get the count thingy, u will need to practice practice n practice forever because the WTF rules will be changing forever also haha

[Celticknits]

Guys,

You need to define your rules so that you don't curve fit along the way.

-General

This is becoming annoying.
The rules for KTF have been defined many times in this thread, and have not changed, but I guess people do not want to read all of the pages in this thread.

Here are the rules to play KTF one last time:

1 - Minimum BR $400
2 - Take last 10 numbers, or 10 new numbers if you prefer.
3 - Starting at spin #11 bet All of the unhit numbers
4 - Use a +1/-1 Progression
5 - Win stop is $30-40 on an American wheel and $40-$50 on a Euro wheel.
6 - Play until you win the session winstop or deplete your BR

Notto - Let us know if I missed something here.

Thats all there is to it folks.
Oh, and one last thing, forget about the count, averages or anything like that when playing KTF, you do not need to use them.

So, to summarize, just start betting unhit numbers at spin #11 and win your $30-$50 or ride the wave until you reach your profit, deplete your BR, or decide you have had enough.

I believe In almost 100 games Notto has only lost 1 time.
On a Euro wheel that would be about $4,600.00 profit.

-Celtic

[MrJ]

These rules (revised?) have started on what date? So if I look at that date on the posts, the net wins should read....$0, correct?

Ken

[Celticknits]

That is what I see happening in WTF thread a lot, "I would have played like this n that", never had a losing session, so funny lol, if its real play then I think they will say something like "I should have played like this!" after they have busted..but IMP i think KTF is okay..u can just follow the rules as stated n take only the first winning, then the only one lossing session frm Nottophammer is not counted..then its really no lossing so far lol just sayin

Ps: You will never get the count thingy, u will need to practice practice n practice forever because the WTF rules will be changing forever also haha

-Goldrosen

First off this is not the WTF thread.
The rules for KTF are fixed and have not changed.

Re.your statement Ps: You will never get the count thingy, u will need to practice practice n practice forever because the WTF rules will be changing forever also haha about the

If you cannot get the count thingy, as you call it, forget about playing WTF.
The rules do not really change in WTF but may appear to if you do not understand how to read the count.
You are 100% correct about practicing practicing  n practicing= in regards to WTF.

A lot of people confuse KTF and WTF but as has been stated many times in this thread they are related but are two completely different animals.

-Celtic

[The General]

I merely suspected that your rules were too lose.



I only made the suggestion because too many people curve fit their testing without even realizing it.  A good example is that fruitcake XXVV that rambles and bloviates... on an on... while curve fitting that absurd WF/ACETF nonsense of his on the other forum.

"If this was, should of, could of"....bad phrases when testing.

[goldrosen]

First off this is not the WTF thread.
The rules for KTF are fixed and have not changed.

Of course I know this is not WTF thread, just sayin i see a lot of "this is how I would have played it" in WTF thread, but with all different starting point n WTF can make all losing sessions provided by the others into a winning one..Im not saying it is bad or what thats  just what I observed..
And yea the rules for KTF is fixed, just follow n there is no "hey guys, this is how I would have played it" happen..yes?

[Celticknits]

-General

This is becoming annoying.
The rules for KTF have been defined many times in this thread, and have not changed, but I guess people do not want to read all of the pages in this thread.

Here are the rules to play KTF one last time:

1 - Minimum BR $400
2 - Take last 10 numbers, or 10 new numbers if you prefer.
3 - Starting at spin #11 bet All of the unhit numbers
4 - Use a +1/-1 Progression
5 - Win stop is $30-40 on an American wheel and $40-$50 on a Euro wheel.
6 - Play until you win the session winstop or deplete your BR

Notto - Let us know if I missed something here.

Thats all there is to it folks.
Oh, and one last thing, forget about the count, averages or anything like that when playing KTF, you do not need to use them.

So, to summarize, just start betting unhit numbers at spin #11 and win your $30-$50 or ride the wave until you reach your profit, deplete your BR, or decide you have had enough.

I believe In almost 100 games Notto has only lost 1 time.
On a Euro wheel that would be about $4,600.00 profit.

-Celtic

THIS IS NOT A CHANGE JUST AN OMMISSION FROM MY FIRST POST!!!

I forgot to mention that as numbers hit in KTF they are taken down and thereby reduce the bet amount.

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

-General

This is becoming annoying.
The rules for KTF have been defined many times in this thread, and have not changed, but I guess people do not want to read all of the pages in this thread.

Here are the rules to play KTF one last time:

1 - Minimum BR $400
2 - Take last 10 numbers, or 10 new numbers if you prefer.
3 - Starting at spin #11 bet All of the unhit numbers
4 - Use a +1/-1 Progression
5 - Win stop is $30-40 on an American wheel and $40-$50 on a Euro wheel.
6 - Play until you win the session winstop or deplete your BR

Notto - Let us know if I missed something here.

Thats all there is to it folks.
Oh, and one last thing, forget about the count, averages or anything like that when playing KTF, you do not need to use them.

So, to summarize, just start betting unhit numbers at spin #11 and win your $30-$50 or ride the wave until you reach your profit, deplete your BR, or decide you have had enough.

I believe In almost 100 games Notto has only lost 1 time.
On a Euro wheel that would be about $4,600.00 profit.

-Celtic

Thanks Celticknits for the post and rules. I wonder if this can be added first in the thread, maybe nottophammer can do it?

[Celticknits]

Of course I know this is not WTF thread, just sayin i see a lot of "this is how I would have played it" in WTF thread, but with all different starting point n WTF can make all losing sessions provided by the others into a winning one..Im not saying it is bad or what thats  just what I observed..
And yea the rules for KTF is fixed, just follow n there is no "hey guys, this is how I would have played it" happen..yes?

-Goldrosen

I am glad you found the rules for KTF.
I am surprised someone has not asked me why, if KTF is so good I am not still playing it.
The reason that I do not play KTF and play only the repeats is because I was not happy with some of the drawdowns to get to a $30-$40 profit on the American wheel in my B&M when playing KTF.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Thanks Celticknits for the post and rules. I wonder if this can be added first in the thread, maybe nottophammer can do it?

-Tuddilue

If it is possible then make sure that the rule to remove hit numbers is included.
I did send a seperate post about it.

Please be aware that these are not my rules but just a summation of all the play that has happened since page 1 of this thread.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

I merely suspected that your rules were too lose.


I only made the suggestion because too many people curve fit their testing without even realizing it.  A good example is that fruitcake XXVV that rambles and bloviates... on an on... while curve fitting that absurd WF/ACETF nonsense of his on the other forum.

"If this was, should of, could of"....bad phrases when testing.

-General

Would you please define what you mean by curve fitting for me.

-Celtic

[Azim]

-General

Would you please define what you mean by curve fitting for me.

-Celtic

I will answer that for him.

Herb,

Isn't this what you told Winkel, without understanding what Winkel was saying.

Question to you General,

How do you get from 1 to 2?

I guess you avoiding my question because the answer can be curve fitted?

[RouletteGhost]

Exactly

The mere fact him and mr j say its curve fitting just shows they dont understand