KTF

[RouletteGhost]

-General

Would you please define what you mean by curve fitting for me.

-Celtic

Him (and others) are assuming you go back past spins and bet to win. In other words and in laymens terms 5 spins back was number 5 and you say i would have bet 5

Just the typical case of him (and others) not reading it all

If he did he would realise you are just showing how you would have played it given those past spins

If you give me 20 past spins and i say i would have played ktf or something else given tbose spins thats not curve fitting thats how you would have played given that scenario period

Best to ignore it

If i explained given the prior spins how id play thats not curve fitting. Thats just them not understanding. Lol.

[RouletteGhost]

I will answer that for him.

Herb,

Isn't this what you told Winkel, without understanding what Winkel was saying.

Question to you General,

How do you get from 1 to 2?

I guess you avoiding my question because the answer can be curve fitted?

He accused winkel of curve fitting because he went over past spins?

What a rose bush thorn this guy is when he is around

Winkel should have just ignored it and kept on

[Azim]

RG,

People who have understood Winkel, would have had a lot more to learn,


Here are Winkels words to me:

okay, now I know what you mean.

I tried this, but it is boring and takes a lot of time to calculate.

It is easier to bet some more numbers and win! 

br
winkel

[Celticknits]

Him (and others) are assuming you go back past spins and bet to win. In other words and in laymens terms 5 spins back was number 5 and you say i would have bet 5

Just the typical case of him (and others) not reading it all

If he did he would realise you are just showing how you would have played it given those past spins

If you give me 20 past spins and i say i would have played ktf or something else given tbose spins thats not curve fitting thats how you would have played given that scenario period

Best to ignore it

If i explained given the prior spins how id play thats not curve fitting. Thats just them not understanding. Lol.

-RG

Thank you for the explanation.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Alot of clouds floated by yesterday. Anyway most annoyed that the recorder mucked up on the 1.4.16 as todays #'s would have been game 100 for the average document.
The part that matters thou is todays #'s
Jackpot247.com 3.4.16 KTF +49 #25.

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jackpotjoy 3.4.16
1 29
2 6
3 30
4 15
5 21
6 2
7 11
8 30
9 0
10 1
11 8
12 20
13 1
14 35
15 27
16 29
17 33
18 3
19 25
20 22
21 4
22 35
23 1
24 20
25 24
26 19
27 2
28 14
29 6
30 28
31 11
32 12
33 15
34 28
35 9
36 23
37 14
38 29
39 8
40 6
41 19
42 2
43 35
44 30
45 5
46 16
47 15
48 1
49 0
50 24
51 8
52 32
53 5
54 10
55 19
56 12
57 7
58 22
59 7
60 11

61 29
62 20
63 7


[nottophammer]

Now for some curve fitting
Flat bet up to the 15th non-hit so 15th non-hit was spin 35.

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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 [color=red]non-hit[/color]
28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11         [color=red]units[/color]
5.6 5.4 5.2 5 4.8 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2  [color=red]to .20p unit[/color]
1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 4 1 2 2 2 3 [color=red]spins[/color]
5.6 5.4 10.4 5 9.6 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 15.2 3.6 6.8 6.4 6 8.4 0 0[color=red] stakes[/color]
99.6[color=red]total staked[/color]
108[color=red]value of 15 non-hit[/color] 8.4[color=red]+/-[/color]


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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11
5.6 5.4 5.2 5 4.8 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2
1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 4 1 2 2 2 3
5.6 5.4 10.4 5 9.6 4.6 4.4 4.2 4 15.2 3.6 6.8 6.4 6 8.4 0 0
99.6
108 8.4


[Tacwell]

Now for some curve fitting
Flat bet up to the 15th non-hit so 15th non-hit was spin 35.

That's not curve fitting at all. Curve fitting would be designing or tweaking your system around a specific set of spins to return a positive result, not RG's definition.

[nottophammer]

That's not curve fitting at all. Curve fitting would be designing or tweaking your system around a specific set of spins to return a positive result, not RG's definition.

Just having some fun, as someone said if a method can keep in front with a light progression,then surely Ktf will handle flat bet

[bbb128]

Hi friends

What is your target and stop loss for playing KTF?

[RouletteGhost]

Go some posts back. Like 1 day back. Read celtics rules

400 stop loss

40 win goal

Notto lost 1 session out of 100

[RouletteGhost]

-General

This is becoming annoying.
The rules for KTF have been defined many times in this thread, and have not changed, but I guess people do not want to read all of the pages in this thread.

Here are the rules to play KTF one last time:

1 - Minimum BR $400
2 - Take last 10 numbers, or 10 new numbers if you prefer.
3 - Starting at spin #11 bet All of the unhit numbers
4 - Use a +1/-1 Progression
5 - Win stop is $30-40 on an American wheel and $40-$50 on a Euro wheel.
6 - Play until you win the session winstop or deplete your BR

Notto - Let us know if I missed something here.

Thats all there is to it folks.
Oh, and one last thing, forget about the count, averages or anything like that when playing KTF, you do not need to use them.

So, to summarize, just start betting unhit numbers at spin #11 and win your $30-$50 or ride the wave until you reach your profit, deplete your BR, or decide you have had enough.

I believe In almost 100 games Notto has only lost 1 time.
On a Euro wheel that would be about $4,600.00 profit.

-Celtic

[The General]

2 - Take last 10 numbers, or 10 new numbers if you prefer.
3 - Starting at spin #11 bet All of the unhit numbers

Betting numbers that haven't hit is a bad idea on a live wheel.  It's one way by which you could actually lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the house edge. You'd be better off betting the numbers that had actually hit on the live wheel.  However, it would still likely be a net loser.

[RouletteGhost]

Betting numbers that haven't hit is a bad idea on a live wheel.  It's one way by which you could actually lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the house edge. You'd be better off betting the numbers that had actually hit on the live wheel.  However, it would still likely be a net loser.

Based on sheets posted from Celtic and especially notto i see zero evidence of this being a net loser. Zero. Zero. Zero.

[nottophammer]

Betting numbers that haven't hit is a bad idea on a live wheel.  It's one way by which you could actually lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the house edge. You'd be better off betting the numbers that had actually hit on the live wheel.  However, it would still likely be a net loser.

Okay General
when i arrive at the B+M and finally get to sit in my favorite seat by the roulette wheel and decide to play my goofy method, i see #34 is on the marquee and a few spins later #35 is now on the marquee, i'd be better of too bet the 34 and 35 as they've hit, better to not try and complete the street with the un-hit 36.
Thanks for that so complete a street not a good idea as its betting unhit #'s

[nottophammer]

wonder what your going to tell us Turner?