KTF

[RouletteGhost]

One more thing notto. That one KTF bust you had can you kindly post it?

[nottophammer]

OK, so you wait for the numbers that hit in the last ten spins, and it doesn´t matter if they´re uniques or repeats. It´s still about waiting for ten virtual losses, isn´t it? According to the Gap Test in Loothog.com the longest gap for 26 numbers in 100000 spins  is 10.

[RouletteGhost]

One more thing notto. That one KTF bust you had can you kindly post it?

Only because i want to analyze how it differs from the other 99 winning sessions

Thanks

[goldrosen]

Only because i want to analyze how it differs from the other 99 winning sessions

Thanks

Nottophammer already posted it many times.

[RouletteGhost]

Of course I know this is not WTF thread, just sayin i see a lot of "this is how I would have played it" in WTF thread, but with all different starting point n WTF can make all losing sessions provided by the others into a winning one..Im not saying it is bad or what thats  just what I observed..
And yea the rules for KTF is fixed, just follow n there is no "hey guys, this is how I would have played it" happen..yes?

Wrong

You are assuming they are curve fitting. They aren't.

They are stating how they'd play based on the count

As you said, it was the WTF thread. So its based on the count. It will change on a case by case basis. Thats not KTF

Once you comprehend that you will see they aren't turning losers into winners magically.

[psimoes]

Thanks. So it´s ten uniques afterall. You know, after reading that I realized I had used numbers from 0 to 26 as example in the previous replies, and forgot to include the zero in the gap test. So actually it´s about 27 numbers, not 26. The longest gap between 27 numbers after 100000 spins is 9! I´d run a few more tests collecting 9 spins instead of 10 to see how it performs.

Good luck.

[RouletteGhost]

Thanks. So it´s ten uniques afterall. You know, after reading that I realized I had used numbers from 0 to 26 as example in the previous replies, and forgot to include the zero in the gap test. So actually it´s about 27 numbers, not 26. The longest gap between 27 numbers after 100000 spins is 9! I´d run a few more tests collecting 9 spins instead of 10 to see how it performs.

Good luck.

Psimones. Meaning same rules but begin after 9 spins vs 10?

[psimoes]

Erm, thinking about it, it doesn´t make much sense. Of course the longest gap will be shorter if you keep adding more numbers. Example: longest gap between 37 numbers? There´ll be no gap, of course. This is how variance works. To reduce variance just bet on more numbers each time . There´s a price to pay. Everybody knows that if you bet say two dozens at a time (24 numbers) the variance will be significantly shorter than if you bet only one dozen. It seems to win most of the time but when it loses, it loses big, especially when using progressions.
Collecting 9 numbers and betting 27 will apear to win more than 10/26, but at a higher price. This is quite basic.

[psimoes]

There´s something about KTF though, at least as I see it. Doing a few more gap tests. I´ll report back.

[nottophammer]

Erm, thinking about it, it doesn´t make much sense. Of course the longest gap will be shorter if you keep adding more numbers. Example: longest gap between 37 numbers? There´ll be no gap, of course. This is how variance works. To reduce variance just bet on more numbers each time . There´s a price to pay. Everybody knows that if you bet say two dozens at a time (24 numbers) the variance will be significantly shorter than if you bet only one dozen. It seems to win most of the time but when it loses, it loses big, especially when using progressions.
Collecting 9 numbers and betting 27 will apear to win more than 10/26, but at a higher price. This is quite basic.

sorry for my ignorance, but as soon as i see the maths quotes you lose me.
But glad you are testing

[psimoes]

Well it just looks complicated. In fact it´s so simple it´s like common sense. Just give it a try.

You need to collect a certain number of uniques which you´ll bet against in the next spin. Which means you´ll bet all the numbers on the carpet but those. OK.

The numbers you will bet for, in one spin, must have a respective longest gap in 100000 spins (a large number, the so-called "long-run") that is equal to the number of the uniques collected. In other words, the total of the numbers you will bet for in one spin and the longest gap between them must be 37.

[RouletteGhost]

Does anyone think flat betting 11th spin only and switching terminals has any merit?

[psimoes]

Correction: the "longest gap" as defined by Loothog is slightly confusing:

Note: The gap is how many spins you would have to play in order to hit your number.
For example:
You are tracking 3 and the numbers up are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
The smallest gap is 3, consisting of numbers 1,2,3
The longest gap is 4, consisting of numbers 4,5,6,7

Does anyone make any sense of the above?

[nottophammer]

i'm too long in the tooth now to worry about the math.
All i was trying for was something simple and whats simpler than playing non-hit of the mat/wheel.
Today i was asked why do i mark the numbers, i said it's all about 0x's then 1x's and then >1x's, comment, lost me.
So quick explanation, showed him the wheel, asked what do you see, get the usual daft answers, so i said this is controversial, you see 37 pockets and they are all due, these 0x's become 1x's and the 0x's are the larger group, so they should be favorite to come in, wow, something twigged, unlike some on here, do a MR J lol.

[nottophammer]

 psimoes
Go on then, i listen, you never know