KTF

[RouletteGhost]

-Notto

Forgetting the disaster on January 22, can you tell me what the largest drawdown was on the 99 winning games, and point me to which game that was?

-Celtic

Literally just PMed him that

I want to know when i should or shouldnt stop

[nottophammer]

psimoes
This is why you should practice, gain knowledge from GUT.  Your interested in willie hill game, its on FOBT, RNG.

What happens, open the screen theres the marquee, never played this machine, theres 16#'s, nice, why, because even thou we dont know when this mickey mouse roulette was last spun, those 16#'s, dare i say it, past spins are to be watched in my spins 1-10.
You should see 18, why, the 16#'s which has 1 repeat,has not repeated, so lost, now bet the 19#'s win, i should have chipped up but just flat bet,so a small loss. Rebet the 19, lose, anyway you can see i keep flat betting and stop on 10th spin +3.00 for .25p units. You can see i win on the #2 as its part of the 19#'s, but not of the 16#'s from the marque.
The win on #11 says to me the marquee #'s should still hit, they do.

Now as mrs notto is in the dentist i dont want to get to envolved in the game,so its just watch, using Gut. spins 1-10 9 non-hit, so at spin 39/40 could be 24 non-hit, thats the average 15 in 30 spins, write countback in, we're ready to do battle with the RNG.
Just watch, 5 non-hit on the bounce so this is fast trot, what showed at 13th spin, 12 non-hits have come, so 25-11-1, its now 23-13-1,  the >1x's need to rise,to do this we need a 1x to repeat, so dont just bet the 1x's bet all 1x+>1x, 14 units we win.
Just watch, look another repeat the 1x's have come, but we are just watching, we end spins 11-20 8,+3, do you know what +3 means?
25th spin not far off, at 24th spin we've had 3 non-hit so trot is still fast, its already past 18/19-14/15 - 03/05, so i bet the 20,1x's lose, rebet the 21,1x's which really is 1x+>1x, chipped up as well,win, rebet the 21 and -1 the units, win.

+14.75 for .25p units.

conclusion study GUT, 12 unique, 12unique in Xspins oh yes and LOTT, and forget the maths,it just holds you back.

[nottophammer]

Just seen the replies, i'll have to do it later as off out, run about day

[Celticknits]

Literally just PMed him that

I want to know when i should or shouldnt stop

-RG

If I was to play KTF instead of Repeats I would use that figure as the required BR.

The one thing that has surprised me since starting to play roulette in January of this year are the number of players that are underfunded and when they lose start to run down strategies like KTF because they lose.   Hey, it's gambling and you are going to lose at some point but as long as you win more than you lose who cares.

I think that Notto has more than shown that KTF works just fine the way it is with a $400 BR but if you wanted to win ALL of those 99 games you would have needed a bigger BR and for me that would have been the current largest loss plus the value of the next bet to continue.

-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

-RG

If I was to play KTF instead of Repeats I would use that figure as the required BR.

The one thing that has surprised me since starting to play roulette in January of this year are the number of players that are underfunded and when they lose start to run down strategies like KTF because they lose.   Hey, it's gambling and you are going to lose at some point but as long as you win more than you lose who cares.

I think that Notto has more than shown that KTF works just fine the way it is with a $400 BR but if you wanted to win ALL of those 99 games you would have needed a bigger BR and for me that would have been the current largest loss plus the value of the next bet to continue.

-Celtic

Thats the figure i want to know. Largest drawdown on winning games. Thats the stoploss i want to use

Rich

[psimoes]

psimoes
This is why you should practice, gain knowledge from GUT.  Your interested in willie hill game, its on FOBT, RNG.

What happens, open the screen theres the marquee, never played this machine, theres 16#'s, nice, why, because even thou we dont know when this mickey mouse roulette was last spun, those 16#'s, dare i say it, past spins are to be watched in my spins 1-10.
You should see 18, why, the 16#'s which has 1 repeat,has not repeated, so lost, now bet the 19#'s win, i should have chipped up but just flat bet,so a small loss. Rebet the 19, lose, anyway you can see i keep flat betting and stop on 10th spin +3.00 for .25p units. You can see i win on the #2 as its part of the 19#'s, but not of the 16#'s from the marque.
The win on #11 says to me the marquee #'s should still hit, they do.

Now as mrs notto is in the dentist i dont want to get to envolved in the game,so its just watch, using Gut. spins 1-10 9 non-hit, so at spin 39/40 could be 24 non-hit, thats the average 15 in 30 spins, write countback in, we're ready to do battle with the RNG.
Just watch, 5 non-hit on the bounce so this is fast trot, what showed at 13th spin, 12 non-hits have come, so 25-11-1, its now 23-13-1,  the >1x's need to rise,to do this we need a 1x to repeat, so dont just bet the 1x's bet all 1x+>1x, 14 units we win.
Just watch, look another repeat the 1x's have come, but we are just watching, we end spins 11-20 8,+3, do you know what +3 means?
25th spin not far off, at 24th spin we've had 3 non-hit so trot is still fast, its already past 18/19-14/15 - 03/05, so i bet the 20,1x's lose, rebet the 21,1x's which really is 1x+>1x, chipped up as well,win, rebet the 21 and -1 the units, win.

+14.75 for .25p units.

conclusion study GUT, 12 unique, 12unique in Xspins oh yes and LOTT, and forget the maths,it just holds you back.

Tried to read the GUT thread once, too many pages full of garbage from other posters, the signal to noise ratio in that thread is rather poor. But I´ve seen your records from KTF and let me tell you that´s impressive. If KTF is based on GUT I´ll try again to read it.
Although I don´t play anymore I always come back to the forum for useful info.
Good luck

[psimoes]

-RG

If I was to play KTF instead of Repeats I would use that figure as the required BR.

The one thing that has surprised me since starting to play roulette in January of this year are the number of players that are underfunded and when they lose start to run down strategies like KTF because they lose.   Hey, it's gambling and you are going to lose at some point but as long as you win more than you lose who cares.

I think that Notto has more than shown that KTF works just fine the way it is with a $400 BR but if you wanted to win ALL of those 99 games you would have needed a bigger BR and for me that would have been the current largest loss plus the value of the next bet to continue.

-Celtic

I started playing in 2013 and for a few months never lost any session! Then it  went on a rollercoaster losing and never fully recovering. I should have stopped when I broke even. In the end I decided to take the small loss and stopped for good. It all looked like the methods tested on Roulette Xtreme. All systems can be Holy Graals in the beginning but after a few hundreds of spins they all go down.

I use to play Roulette Royale with my cell phone. Initial bank roll is 5000. But there´s no table limit. My BR went up to five million once, but that´s because I kept increasing the wages, up to 10 000 per single number. The thing is the drawdowns increase as well, down to the initial bank roll.

[RouletteGhost]

I started playing in 2013 and for a few months never lost any session! Then it  went on a rollercoaster losing and never fully recovering. I should have stopped when I broke even. In the end I decided to take the small loss and stopped for good. It all looked like the methods tested on Roulette Xtreme. All systems can be Holy Graals in the beginning but after a few hundreds of spins they all go down.

I use to play Roulette Royale with my cell phone. Initial bank roll is 5000. But there´s no table limit. My BR went up to five million once, but that´s because I kept increasing the wages, up to 10 000 per single number. The thing is the drawdowns increase as well, down to the initial bank roll.

Ask yourself this: why do most methods do very well then tank after 100 spins. Lets figure that out. Or maybe switch methods after every win

But KTF seems to be special...nottos results really cant be disputed?

[Celticknits]

....................................If KTF is based on GUT I´ll try again to read it. ......................

-psimoes

Look at Nottos post 916.
He states: ..... conclusion study GUT, 12 unique, 12unique in Xspins oh yes and LOTT, and forget the maths,it just holds you back.

-Celtic

[psimoes]

Ask yourself this: why do most methods do very well then tank after 100 spins. Lets figure that out. Or maybe switch methods after every win

But KTF seems to be special...nottos results really cant be disputed?

That´s the million dollar question and I suspect the answer is one million dollars minus 2.7%...

Really wish KTF all the best. Cause I might start playing for real again you never know.

[psimoes]

-psimoes

Look at Nottos post 916.
He states: ..... conclusion study GUT, 12 unique, 12unique in Xspins oh yes and LOTT, and forget the maths,it just holds you back.

-Celtic

The irony is KTF´s principle is all about math! Flawed or not and hope not, it´s still math.

[nottophammer]

Draw downs 25.3.16
Lot of work going over old sheets, this one is recent,even found a mistake, turns out better. What you have to remember is theres early wins for less than 50/60, take +20, then next bet you are -4, then next spin back to +20, do you stop, if later and you've hit a 3 figure loss and then you start to come back towards a positive, then the next spin makes you plus more than the previous high of +20, do you stop.

Code Select Expand

spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 13 36
2 33 35
3 5 34
4 6 33
5 13 r
6 18 32
7 25 31
8 17 30
9 11 29 stake
10 22 28 non-hit return (+/-)
11 7 27 1 28 36 8
12 5 r 1 27 0 -19
13 0 26 2 54 72 -1
14 30 25 1 26 36 9
15 14 24 1 25 36 20
16 0 r 1 24 0 -4
17 34 23 2 48 72 20
18 6 r 1 23 0 -3
19 7 r 2 46 0 -49
20 33 r 3 69 0 -118
21 32 22 4 92 144 -66
22 35 21 3 66 108 -24
23 2 20 2 42 72 6
24 16 19 1 20 36 22
25 22 r 1 19 0 3
26 22 r 2 38 0 -35
27 6 r 3 57 0 -92
28 5 r 4 76 0 -168
29 36 18 5 95 180 -83
30 6 r 4 72 0 -155
31 8 17 5 90 180 -65
32 33 r 4 68 0 -133
33 31 16 5 85 180 -38
34 30 r 4 64 0 -102
35 25 r 5 80 0 -182
36 14 r 6 96 0 -278
37 18 r 7 112 0 -390
38 6 r 8 128 0 -518
39 1 15 9 144 324 -338
40 35 r 8 120 0 -458
41 6 r 9 135 0 -593
42 9 14 10 150 360 -383
43 30 r 9 126 0 -509
44 22 r 10 140 0 -649
45 29 13 11 154 396 -407
46 12 12 10 130 360 -177
47 21 11 9 108 324 39
48 22 r 8 88 0 -49
49 14 r 9 99 0 -148
50 10 10 10 110 360 102
51 7
52 31
53 10
54 31
55 31
56 26
57 24
58 28
59 19
60 5

61 25
62 7
63 20
64 11
65 35
66 27
67 25
68 1
69 28
70 26

the mistake i made the win at spin 47, 10 units, when it was 9, still good enough to stop, but like you see if you KTF its +102, but would you go there, me, a big no, take the 39, or better still take the +20, second time around

[nottophammer]

The irony is KTF´s principle is all about math! Flawed or not and hope not, it´s still math.

Yes, average

[Celticknits]

Draw downs 25.3.16
Lot of work going over old sheets, this one is recent,even found a mistake, turns out better. What you have to remember is theres early wins for less than 50/60, take +20, then next bet you are -4, then next spin back to +20, do you stop, if later and you've hit a 3 figure loss and then you start to come back towards a positive, then the next spin makes you plus more than the previous high of +20, do you stop.

Code Select Expand

spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 13 36
2 33 35
3 5 34
4 6 33
5 13 r
6 18 32
7 25 31
8 17 30
9 11 29 stake
10 22 28 non-hit return (+/-)
11 7 27 1 28 36 8
12 5 r 1 27 0 -19
13 0 26 2 54 72 -1
14 30 25 1 26 36 9
15 14 24 1 25 36 20
16 0 r 1 24 0 -4
17 34 23 2 48 72 20
18 6 r 1 23 0 -3
19 7 r 2 46 0 -49
20 33 r 3 69 0 -118
21 32 22 4 92 144 -66
22 35 21 3 66 108 -24
23 2 20 2 42 72 6
24 16 19 1 20 36 22
25 22 r 1 19 0 3
26 22 r 2 38 0 -35
27 6 r 3 57 0 -92
28 5 r 4 76 0 -168
29 36 18 5 95 180 -83
30 6 r 4 72 0 -155
31 8 17 5 90 180 -65
32 33 r 4 68 0 -133
33 31 16 5 85 180 -38
34 30 r 4 64 0 -102
35 25 r 5 80 0 -182
36 14 r 6 96 0 -278
37 18 r 7 112 0 -390
38 6 r 8 128 0 -518
39 1 15 9 144 324 -338
40 35 r 8 120 0 -458
41 6 r 9 135 0 -593
42 9 14 10 150 360 -383
43 30 r 9 126 0 -509
44 22 r 10 140 0 -649
45 29 13 11 154 396 -407
46 12 12 10 130 360 -177
47 21 11 9 108 324 39
48 22 r 8 88 0 -49
49 14 r 9 99 0 -148
50 10 10 10 110 360 102
51 7
52 31
53 10
54 31
55 31
56 26
57 24
58 28
59 19
60 5

61 25
62 7
63 20
64 11
65 35
66 27
67 25
68 1
69 28
70 26

the mistake i made the win at spin 47, 10 units, when it was 9, still good enough to stop, but like you see if you KTF its +102, but would you go there, me, a big no, take the 39, or better still take the +20, second time around

-Notto

Thank you very much.
I think a $800 BR should cover it.
In this example I would have quit at spin 23 because I would have already been sitting there for approx. 45 minutes or so and it is time to go.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Look spin 16  +36  spin 34 +39  stopped with 36 if you KTF at spin 48 +238 but you do not want to be there take the earlier win

Code Select Expand

spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 34 36
2 4 35 j247 6.2.16
3 0 34
4 7 33
5 34 r
6 25 32
7 23 31
8 22 30
9 6 29 stake
10 9 28 non-hit return
11 27 27 1 28 36 8
12 3 26 1 27 36 17
13 11 25 1 26 36 27
14 11 r 1 25 0 2
15 13 24 2 50 72 24
16 17 23 1 24 36 36
17 3 r 1 23 0 13
18 34 r 2 46 0 -33
19 4 r 3 69 0 -102
20 16 22 4 92 144 -50
21 17 r 3 66 0 -116
22 21 21 4 88 144 -60
23 18 20 3 63 108 -15
24 7 r 2 40 0 -55
25 3 r 3 60 0 -115
26 32 19 4 80 144 -51
27 5 18 3 57 108 0
28 34 r 2 36 0 -36
29 17 r 3 54 0 -90
30 19 17 4 72 144 -18
31 3 r 3 51 0 -69
32 10 16 4 68 144 7
33 17 r 3 48 0 -41
34 30 15 4 64 144 39
35 23 r 3 45 0 -6
36 21 r 4 60 0 -66
37 18 r 5 75 0 -141
38 4 r 6 90 0 -231
39 3 r 7 105 0 -336
40 3 r 8 120 0 -456
41 8 14 9 135 324 -267
42 14 13 8 112 288 -91
43 16 r 7 91 0 -182
44 33 12 8 104 288 2
45 17 r 7 84 0 -82
46 16 r 8 96 0 -178
47 26 11 9 108 324 38
48 24 10 8 88 288 238
49 0 r 7 70 0 168