KTF

[JSG240592]

I got a really cool idea for ya: YOU do not have to play it

You could simply close the thread and move on

From what I can see people are claiming have results from this system. I am just confused as to whether this is being used on live roulette/auto wheel or on RNG roulette software only. On live roulette/auto wheel you would struggle to make the bets in time so I'm guessing RNG roulette software only. Which goes against all my believes. Especially for FOBT I have been under the impression for years that FOBT/RNG are programmed to spit out one of two results (win or lose).

I understand the system to be as followed:-

Observe for 10 spins

Make your bets from spin 11 on all the unhit numbers.

If an unhit number appears then remove that number and continue playing the unhit numbers at 1unit.

When you lose a spin then +1 units on all unhit numbers. (2units)

If you hit a win on 2units then decrease your bet to 1unit.

Always plus 1unit on a miss and minus 1unit on a hit.

Spins 11-20 are most likey to show profit.




Are we always playing against the last 10 numbers?

Example:- 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11

As you can see we hit a win on the 11th spin with number 11. Now do you remove number 11 and add number 1 to our unhit numbers? Or do we soley remove number 11? 

[Gzgzbee]

-JSG240592

You solely remove the 11 from your example! You do not need to remove your first spin!

As you go on and your betting less number as the hit!

[Gzgzbee]

02/05/16 - SkyVagas (RNG)

+27 (3rd session today)

Sheet attached.

Total 5 session = +146.

[JSG240592]

RouletteGhost
Nottophammer

I have attached a spreadsheet for my first attempt at KTF.

This is 17 spins. 7bets. finish is +37

At what point do you leave the table?

if you get to 10 watched spins and 15 bet spins = 25 spins

Is this a good time to stop the session? 


I criticise the system before looking at it with an open mind, I understand that this system is working on the basis that in 37 spins you will roughly get 24 unique numbers?

[JSG240592]

Gzgzbee

thank you for clarification.

You seem to be doing well.

The problem with most strategies is the recovery rate from a bad session. Have you had a long session yet which has drained your bankroll?

Are you playing with real funds or fun money?

[JSG240592]

Attached is my 2nd attempt on William hill RNG playing for fun money. I was told that this system has only failed once in 100 sessions yet its failed once in 2 sessions for me.  What have I done wrong?

[The General]

At what point do you leave the table?

The better question is why must you leave the table?  Where's the logic?

And once you've left, what magic takes place that enables you to eventually return?

[Celticknits]

-Celtic

Thank you!

How often and how many games have you played!?

I played about 80 games of KTF and then switched to betting Repeats because I did not like the large DD that happen sometimes to win $30-$40 and then the casino ripped out my single airball machine and replaced it with 2 Fusion airball machines with a 30 second betting time limit.
30 seconds is too little time for me to get my bets out.


Also "thinking out loud" say we spin and 6 lands, we place 1 unit on all un-hit numbers bar 6 and the two number either side on the wheel I.e 34, "6", 27!
Where on earth did you get this from???
KTF only plays for unhit numbers.

Then we simple play -1/+1...
Yes the progression for KTF is +1/-1


What are the odds of RNG or live hitting the same 3 pockets in a row say 5 times!?
I have no idea.
Maybe one of the math guys will answer.
The General should know.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

From what I can see people are claiming have results from this system. I am just confused as to whether this is being used on live roulette/auto wheel or on RNG roulette software only.
Airball and RNG - Euro and American wheels
On live roulette/auto wheel you would struggle to make the bets in time so I'm guessing RNG roulette software only. Which goes against all my believes.
On live you are correct there is not enough time to place the bets.
My Airball used to give me 50 seconds to bet and that was fine.

Especially for FOBT I have been under the impression for years that FOBT/RNG are programmed to spit out one of two results (win or lose).
Notto seems to make FOBT/RNG work for him

I understand the system to be as followed:-

Observe for 10 spins -Yes

Make your bets from spin 11 on all the unhit numbers. -Yes

If an unhit number appears then remove that number and continue playing the unhit numbers at 1unit. -Yes

When you lose a spin then +1 units on all unhit numbers. (2units) -Yes

If you hit a win on 2units then decrease your bet to 1unit. -Yes

Always plus 1unit on a miss and minus 1unit on a hit. -Yes

Spins 11-20 are most likey to show profit. -A lot of the times but not always go back and check some of Nottos Jackpot247 sheets

Are we always playing against the last 10 numbers? -Yes

Example:- 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11

As you can see we hit a win on the 11th spin with number 11. Now do you remove number 11 and add number 1 to our unhit numbers? Or do we soley remove number 11?
1 was already in the betting sequence so there is no need for it to be added. You remove the 11 off the list and rebet the remaining unhits -In your example it would drop your bet from 27 to 26 units

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Attached is my 2nd attempt on William hill RNG playing for fun money. I was told that this system has only failed once in 100 sessions yet its failed once in 2 sessions for me.  What have I done wrong?

You quit too soon.
Remember I said before that all of the unhits do not always come in spins 11-20.
Here is an example where that happened.

-Celtic

[JSG240592]

You quit too soon.
Remember I said before that all of the unhits do not always come in spins 11-20.
Here is an example where that happened.

-Celtic

-Celtic

Attached is a third attempt at the William Hill RNG using ktf again it has failed. You say I am not going for long enough but surely the longer I go on then the more repeats I will see?

Would this not be better played by watching 24 spins and then playing the hit numbers in those 24spins, Using the same progression?

Jay

[Gzgzbee]

- JSG240592

Again you need to "keep the Faith"

You only got to a 22 cycle!? if you stop at least spin and just record the next number up to 40 spins.

Look at some of my sheet...i think one i got like 5 repeats 10-20, then 11-30 only got 1 repeat.

I dont like going past 20 so stop at +20-30.

[Celticknits]

-Celtic

Attached is a third attempt at the William Hill RNG using ktf again it has failed. You say I am not going for long enough but surely the longer I go on then the more repeats I will see?

You can not say KTF failed because you did not follow the rules set up for it.
Notto's Averages sheets show that in spins 11-40 there should be 15 repeats and from spins 1-60 there will be 30.
The averages for my airball machine match Nottos.
If you are only using play money try three more sessions running the numbers to 60 spins and see what happens.
If this does not work either then switch to another RNG CASINO OR BETTER STILL PLAY AIRBALL.

As Curiosone said "Watch out for that RNG,its tricky"

Would this not be better played by watching 24 spins and then playing the hit numbers in those 24spins, Using the same progression?
These different options have been discussed many times in the thread and were used to finalize the rules for KTF. As has been stated many times if you step outside the rules set up for KTF YOU ARE NOT PLAYING KTF.



Jay

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

- JSG240592

Again you need to "keep the Faith"

You only got to a 22 cycle!? if you stop at least spin and just record the next number up to 40 spins.

Look at some of my sheet...i think one i got like 5 repeats 10-20, then 11-30 only got 1 repeat.

I dont like going past 20 so stop at +20-30.

-Gzgzbee

If you read the entire thread you will see where when people are using a restricted BR ie. less than $800, and do not want to run to 60 spins it was stated people would be best to quit as soon as they have a + total.
In all three of JSG's listed games following this advice he would have won all sessions( +7 +8 +8 = +23).

-Celtic

[KTFPissa]

In all three of JSG's listed games following this advice he would have won all sessions( +7 +8 +8 = +23).

That would be curve fitting. But in all fairness JSG has played very few spins. Within the numbers you have posted in that excel, if we play continuously we can play 2 sessions. One session that wins 50 and not enough numbers to play the second session. It goes to -330. It has sufficient repeaters, may be it is one of those sessions that tanks.