KTF

[RouletteGhost]

So betting non hits after 10 spins is still proving to be good for you?

I am glad to hear it

When I get back to the casino I will want to play around on airball

How many sessions now? Losses?

[tuddilue]

Well by now you should know i'm seriously a non-hit player.
Another 60 days will update the averages.

Now everyone is always saying flat bet, so i'm doing the 100 new games with flat bet for 15,0x's spins 11-40 or 0x's by 40th spin, all spins and after the 25th 0x has hit.

At the moment  it's      to all 3 scenarios

Thats nice Notto!
Can you explain a little more around the different scenarios with flat bet?
1.  for 15,0x's spins 11-40
2. 0x's by 40th spin, all spins
3. after the 25th 0x has hit

I mean do you start after spin 10 on all the three scenarios?
Do you play for a stop win or stop loss?
So some more information if you have around the different three? Rules for the plays and so on...
- Tuddilue

[nottophammer]

So its 10/10, 15th 0x came on spin 38, so flat bet cost £124,75 for .25p units, the 15 wins @£9= 135, +10.25
Now if you was to carry on flat bet all spins 58 in total cost £170.75 and 21,0x's =£189, +£18.25
After the 25th 0x came, cost flat bet £46, the 6,0x's =£54, =+8


KTF +55



Learn 0x's, read GUT, Ross

[tuddilue]

Ok so you play these ones:
1.  for 15,0x's spins 11-40 -> Until you have 15 0x hit
2. 0x's by 40th spin, all spins -> All 0x up to spin 40th
3. after the 25th 0x has hit -> Starts play 0x after 25th 0x has hit.

Questions:
* Nr 3, when do you stop playing that? The other ones has clear stops.
* Win goal? Or just plus?

- Tuddilue

[nottophammer]

1. What we know is spins 11-40 the average is 15.7/15.8 there a bouts, so instead of round up we just have 15, so it could go L,W,L,W, to spin 40, so half of the 30 are our 0x’s. Sometimes they come fast, let’s say spin 31 the 15,0x’s have come, so you could stop, hopefully in plus. But there are times they arrive late, thus here would be a minus, at spin 40.
2. The option is to carry on using all spins.
Of the 2, 1. Has been in minus most of the 39 games, but now is in plus. 2, has been swaying both ways +/-, but now is in a good plus.
3. A 3rd option, wait for the 25th 0x, now flat bet, been positive for most of the 39 games.
Now what we are aiming for is 100 games, then we can see if there’s a positive to any of the three options.  At the moment let’s use option 3,


after 25th

0
20.75
29.75




18.75
-72
10
7
22.25



-26.5
14.5
4.25
3
36.25
22.75
-6
-11
0
-3.5
16.75
2
3
-4
7.75
-27.75
51
35



-20.25

12.25
53
57
-8.75
-3.25
0.5
16.5
4.75
8
20.25
-2.5
9.25

300.75

So you see 39 games from jackpot247, +300.75, if this was the sum for the 100 games, it would average to £ 3.00 a game using the .25p unit, tiny but for the £1.00 unit it would be £12.00


40 spins     or   1st 15 non-hit
   
1.25   
22.5   
42   
   
   
   
   
-15.75   
-54   
31.5   
-0.5   
16.75   
   
   
   
-21.5   
14.25   
-39.75   
27.5   
15.75   
26.25   
-29.5   
-26   
14.75   
3.25   
9.75   
32.75   
-18.5   
2.25   
-46.5   
37   
-38.5   
40.5   
   
   
   
-33   
   
10   
29   
21.75   
35.75   
-31.25   
21.25   
8.5   
30.5   
10.25   
-35.75   
-10.5   
-22.25   
   
81.75   

Now here averages £2 a game for the 39 games, or £8 for a £1 unit per game.
So what we hope to get is the average win for the 100 games on each option,  now let’s give a hypothetical figure for the 100 games on 40 or 1st 15,  £150.00 for 25.p unit (why .25p, it’s what have to use on FOBT). If could use £1 unit average game would be £6.
Now you have a figure to use when flat betting, if you know that after another 100 games you could be near to the £6 average, so when you start at spin 11 and you win the 1st bet stop, or as soon as +£6 stop,wait for the stream to pass or go to another wheel.

If at B+M you can use a bigger unit like the top doggs

[nottophammer]

option 3
When to stop, unknown for now, should know in 60 days

[nottophammer]

Whats the problem with going for 0x's, its when starting at spin 11, there would be too many numbers for top dog Mr J. But at 39 games,early days, you can see they are in plus.
The problem to most is at the moment we are saying an average of £6 per game from (39 games not the 100 ) not big enough profit, but when the 0x's are so heavy and favour a win, you should be gone in a few spins from spin 11.
I could use a £1 unit after we get to 100 games and know the true figure to use for the stop, and the FOBT can spin every 20 seconds, so if the average is £6 or even £10 per game and god for bid if had to use 60 spins, it would only take about 30 minutes, so 16 games would be possible as the shops are open from 8am to 22pm plenty of time,
for those interested heres all spins for the 39 games, remember its based on .25p unit, and all spins is usually 60 spins

[nottophammer]

Tuddilue and Nextyear
So from the early figures of the 39 games, we can see that it's better to flatbet all spins against 1st15 or 40 spins.
The surprise for me is the flat bet after 25,0x's

[tuddilue]

Tuddilue and Nextyear
So from the early figures of the 39 games, we can see that it's better to flatbet all spins against 1st15 or 40 spins.
The surprise for me is the flat bet after 25,0x's

Yes the 0x is hard to play. The reason is the recovery. Its so hard with so big bets. We also know that the repeaters always come. So that is the trick how to recover.

I think with flat bet you also must set a lower win goal. As you also say in you comments. If we talks units I should aim for around 10 units and the do a jump.

I like the idea of small wins and when you loose a bet or two you will recover that quite easy.

Yes will be interesting to see how it goes in 100 games with these 1,2,3 options.

Good luck!
- Tuddilue

[nottophammer]

Using Mortagons #'s, theres 29'700 spins, divide by 60 spins, priyanka's tester, gives 495 games of 60 spins.
Now if you are a KTF'er, whats your actual stop for a win?
As this is a new high 4'433, you could divide that by the 495 games played, this would give a value 8.95 per game.

So round up to £9.
Here's the ?

The biggest score for spins 1-10 is 9/10, 1 repeat, this means we have to start with 28 non-hits, so if win 1st spin which from the 362 games of Jackpot 247 is 81% of the games, would this be good enough for you to stop. Or as soon as +9 units the average for the 495 mortagon games.

What's your stop win value? The 50/+50 is a value thats obtainable, but would the lower value of +9 be better as smaller wins can make big winners.

For a comparison, do the best football teams all ways win with 5,6 +goals, no they mainly win +1

[MrG]

The only decision is what profit you want  to take.
I only post now on games where KTF has to win 50/+50 for a very respected member called Priyanka, during the posts it was suggested to lower the win target, but he/she said is it not to win 50/+50, so thats what i play it for now using numbers from Jackpot 247.com, airball, its still +7'000 after 176 games.

Hi Notto, I looked at the document attached to your quoted post. There is written: "but you now minus the units back to 1 unit, if the 26 non-hit lost again, then you would +1 the units to 3 on the 26 remaining non-hit numbers."

I'm wondering if there shouldn't be written +1 the units to 2 instead of 3? I understood because you won, the bet was lowered to 1. Then you lose so you should raise the bet by 1 so the bet should be 2 units, not 3 units, no?

[nottophammer]

 
Collect 10 spins, let’s assume no repeat, so the bet is the remaining 27 non-hit numbers, if win, scrub from your chart of the mat.Now just bet the remaining 26 non-hit numbers, if it’s repeat of the numbers that have hit once, you will re-bet and +1 the units to 2 units. If the 26th non-hit wins, scrub the winning non-hit from your chart of the mat and now bet the remaining 25 non-hit numbers, But if the 26th non-hit lost again, then you would +1 the units to 3 on the 26 remaining non-hit numbers.

Hi Notto, I looked at the document attached to your quoted post. There is written: "but you now minus the units back to 1 unit, if the 26 non-hit lost again, then you would +1 the units to 3 on the 26 remaining non-hit numbers."

I'm wondering if there shouldn't be written +1 the units to 2 instead of 3? I understood because you won, the bet was lowered to 1. Then you lose so you should raise the bet by 1 so the bet should be 2 units, not 3 units, no?

Are you a proofreader? I think you understand the concept of +1/-1

[MrG]

Are you a proofreader? I think you understand the concept of +1/-1

No, I'm not proofreader. I thought I understand +1/-1, but seems I don't.

[nottophammer]

Look at reply 1412, there you'll see priyank's tester.
At spin 10 theres no repeats, so the bet starts at 1 unit.
At spin 20 it's still 1 unit.
Spin 21 is for 1 unit and it's a loss.
Now spin 22 is 2 units because of the loss, and upto spin 25 it has been +1, so at spin 25 it's +5, which wins. Now we minus 1 unit to 4 units for spin 26 and lose, as lose you now +1 unit again.

Now, can you see on the image posted

[nottophammer]

1st time only 6 non-hit in 1st 10 spins, 373 games