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[The General]

I just find your data claims to be a bit...dubious. 

Yes that's one thing which bothers me about AP methods, there's something shady and underhand about them.

And that's just pathetic.  Stick with the slots   

[Joe]

Beating a wheel is easy. Beating the casino is difference because it requires you to avoid detection.

If it was really that easy to find a potentially beatable wheel (disregarding avoiding detection for the moment), then a lot of people would be doing it, including some who weren't smart enough to avoid detection. The result would be that the casinos would be alerted to the wheel vulnerabilities and would fix them. I'm not saying it can't be done but only that the bar must be set high in order for the opportunities to exist at all.

I do know someone who spent months looking for a wheel with a dominant diamond (this was back in the 90s). He did find one but his friend got greedy and as a result the wheel was soon removed.

[Joe]

I just find your data claims to be a bit...dubious. 

Ditto.

[The General]

I do know someone who spent months looking for a wheel with a dominant diamond (this was back in the 90s). He did find one but his friend got greedy and as a result the wheel was soon removed.

Months huh?

No you don't.

[Roulettebeater]

I have a method that allows me to predict the point in which the ball leaves the rim (success is 7 or 8 out of 10 spins) ...

[Joe]

Months huh?

No you don't.

Actually, yes I do. Maybe he wasn't very experienced, but it did take him a long time. So how many wheels in your experience have at least one dominant diamond?

[The General]

Most wheels have a dominate drop zone to some degree.

Some take very few spins to spot, others require hundreds.

[Steve]

I have a method that allows me to predict the point in which the ball leaves the rim (success is 7 or 8 out of 10 spins) ...

To what arc/angle of accuracy? How early before the ball falls? Assuming 45 degrees and about 12s before ball falls...

On a wheel without significant dominant diamonds, it's only possible with precise equipment like a roulette computer. Thats because you need accuracy to within about 5-10ms. Humans can't do that. Then you need to factor in deviation from ball and track imperfections. It's just not possible to be that accurate without precise equipment.

If you mean an average wheel with dominant diamonds, itd be very easy to do.

[Roulettebeater]

To what arc/angle of accuracy? How early before the ball falls? Assuming 45 degrees and about 12s before ball falls...

On a wheel without significant dominant diamonds, it's only possible with precise equipment like a roulette computer. Thats because you need accuracy to within about 5-10ms. Humans can't do that. Then you need to factor in deviation from ball and track imperfections. It's just not possible to be that accurate without precise equipment.

If you mean an average wheel with dominant diamonds, itd be very easy to do.

No I don’t mean wheel with dominant diamond, the method works on all wheels except automatic wheels.

The computer makes real time projection/ estimation of speeds and provide outcome, my method uses a software that does a simulation based on the actual wheel coordinates and provide an outcome.

[Nimo]

Ditto.

So Steve and Caleb decide to take someone to a casino to show them
"How its done".  Lets call this guy Bob.  They show up at the casino and Steve says we have to be covert while doing this so the casino doesn't catch on, put on these fake glasses and moustaches.  Bob says " won't the casino facial recognition software recognise us and assign numbers to our faces so they can track us with their state of the art 4K cameras and recording devices that are hooked up to servers that can keep track of exactly where we bet and what are chip counts are?" Caleb replies "that's absurd! (Thinking in his head, I'm sure glad I got me that word a day vocabulary calendar ) we will also put on these plastic white trash bags on as dinner jackets so they won't know its us. 

They arrive at the table and both Steve and Caleb start tracking the spins explaining that we watch the wheel and the diamonds show us where the ball will land, we are smarter than the Casino, they haven't figured this out yet.  Bob asks" what about the laser triangulation software the casino uses to track every single spin on every single table, articulating for any bias, defective diamond, drop zone, ball decay etc etc. Steve and Caleb yell that's bullshit, we are smarter than any casino, plus we are in disguise so they don't know we are going to take tens of dollars from them.  Bob, having read forums notices patterns that Winkel, Notto, Turbo, and others posted so he starts to play and wins.  Steve and Caleb both scream no!  We have to figure out the wheel
as they remove their shoes to count on their toes.  Bob says, but these patterns are happening in a real wheel just same as RNG.  Caleb says nonsense that's absurd!  Then he starts betting on numbers in the same area.  See
Caleb says, I know what I'm doing, its AP at work. Bob says but you are betting in the same areas that the pattern forms.  Caleb says no, its variance that causes that for those on the forum, for us its skill, besides I'm the expert at roulette on the forum.  I challenged all without any incentive and all refused.  Caleb then reaches into a bag and puts on his tiara he bought himself for being the roulette forum ruler.  Steve screams at Cakeb, no! We are supposed to be covert!  Bob laughs at the clowns waiting for hours to see the imaginary patterns they think make them win, grabs his winnings and goes to cash them in.  Steve and Caleb still arguing finally realize he is gone and say to themselves, shit, that was our ride and bankroll, how will we get home.

[Bigbroben]

Wo:!

Ahhhh, I laughed....

[Bigbroben]

Reminds me of the movie Les Visiteurs...

[wiggy]

So Steve and Caleb decide to take someone to a casino to show them
"How its done".  Lets call this guy Bob.  They show up at the casino and Steve says we have to be covert while doing this so the casino doesn't catch on, put on these fake glasses and moustaches.  Bob says " won't the casino facial recognition software recognise us and assign numbers to our faces so they can track us with their state of the art 4K cameras and recording devices that are hooked up to servers that can keep track of exactly where we bet and what are chip counts are?" Caleb replies "that's absurd! (Thinking in his head, I'm sure glad I got me that word a day vocabulary calendar ) we will also put on these plastic white trash bags on as dinner jackets so they won't know its us. 

They arrive at the table and both Steve and Caleb start tracking the spins explaining that we watch the wheel and the diamonds show us where the ball will land, we are smarter than the Casino, they haven't figured this out yet.  Bob asks" what about the laser triangulation software the casino uses to track every single spin on every single table, articulating for any bias, defective diamond, drop zone, ball decay etc etc. Steve and Caleb yell that's bullshit, we are smarter than any casino, plus we are in disguise so they don't know we are going to take tens of dollars from them.  Bob, having read forums notices patterns that Winkel, Notto, Turbo, and others posted so he starts to play and wins.  Steve and Caleb both scream no!  We have to figure out the wheel
as they remove their shoes to count on their toes.  Bob says, but these patterns are happening in a real wheel just same as RNG.  Caleb says nonsense that's absurd!  Then he starts betting on numbers in the same area.  See
Caleb says, I know what I'm doing, its AP at work. Bob says but you are betting in the same areas that the pattern forms.  Caleb says no, its variance that causes that for those on the forum, for us its skill, besides I'm the expert at roulette on the forum.  I challenged all without any incentive and all refused.  Caleb then reaches into a bag and puts on his tiara he bought himself for being the roulette forum ruler.  Steve screams at Cakeb, no! We are supposed to be covert!  Bob laughs at the clowns waiting for hours to see the imaginary patterns they think make them win, grabs his winnings and goes to cash them in.  Steve and Caleb still arguing finally realize he is gone and say to themselves, shit, that was our ride and bankroll, how will we get home.

Did Bob get rated? 

[Roulettebeater]

Bullshit being formed at its best shape !

[nottophammer]

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