KTF

[nottophammer]

jono1167
The countback helps
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17112.msg210394;topicseen#msg210394

And averages that can be seen in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20764.0

[RouletteGhost]

Notto

You have done great work with this. Great explanations. Great sheets. More proof than we’d ever need

I don’t care too much about what the naysayers say, I don’t believe they even understand the method or have even read it

They just have the knee jerk it can’t work response

If it failed in a million spins? I wouldn’t care. You win with it everyday lol

[Bigbroben]

KTF is interesting: it wins most of the time.  You can win 100 times in row.  There is still this one time where it fails and it then erases all the previous gains.
It is the variance that kills it.
The averages are there, they give an indication.  Just like there is an average of 1 high for 1 low: normally a Martingale would make it a winner, but then, once, it crashes real quick.  Variance is the hammer.

I have yet to find a way to reduce exposure to headwinds: averages are what they are, averages.
Perhaps letting an average game go on and let profits rise while they are there, instead of stopping at +50.  Use relative stop-loss, like 100u below maximum; cap progression during bad streaks, stop at prog-level X, switch to repeaters at some trigger point ...  ideas?

There is still this one time where -5000u is attained and there is no turning back. 

Notto, I have vor to integrate 36*1-5-25 with KTF, just little time available lately.  Will keep in touch.

Keep The Faith !!

[jono1167]

Thanks Notto - that will come in handy.

I'll try to collect data on 100 games. However many spins that ends up being.... In a few weeks time I will post results.

So far I like it.... I'll put a common sense stop/loss in place and see how it goes.

Thanks again

[nottophammer]

This is a Good set of spins, the non-hits do exactly what they should, as they are the larger group, if you want to believe what the 1/37 brigade say, then read no more.
You see it started with the common 9/10; a repeat.
You can see spins 11-20; 7,+2 the average for non-hits at this point of the 40 spins.
If you just KTF’d then you be +56
So now wait till spin 20 then use the 36*1,5,25 another 12 units.
Why, not re-set.

Forgot these yesterday from jackpot247.com airball, i'm behind as have rheumatoid arthritis and joints are playing up

[nottophammer]

This is a fast game, it happens more often than you might think; (didn’t someone bet for repeat in back to basic thread) so just right for winning a bucket of KFT; +55 units.
Now during any game you need to know what non-hits can do, so see/find how they come, find there averages to hit. Know there max to hit. It’s all on here in the non-hit time table.
So what’s happening here, the non-hit the larger group are doing what is expected, don’t the 1st 19 0x’s, have an average to hit, of 2 spins?
If you use KTF you’ve won the 50/+50
If you are just watching the spins it’s not all over, you have not missed the boat.
What does Winkel say about the crossing 19/18
So you’ve waited, you’ve seen the even distribution of 5 non-hits, you now have seen the usual for spins 11-20, the 7,+2, the alarm bells should be ringing, repeats must be coming. What are the most consecutive non-hits you’ve seen or read on here, 25 I’ve read, so could you bet for repeats?
After spin 17 has come and you chicken out of betting for repeat, then you are carrying on watching; spin 18 another non-hit, it now leaves the crossing of 19 non-hits and 18 one hits, what are you advised to do, leave this grossing alone, but why would you here, surely you could bet for the 18, 1x’s to repeat. 
So you see you must always be thinking and watching for the opportunity for a bet/gamble.

Now I’ve been asked when would I re-set for 36*1,5,25 straight after the win at spin 22, +32
What has just happened 0x v1x’s, big time and 0x have been winning, aren’t those 1x’s going to have the potential, to keep going, too R1’s.
If you carried on and re-set, but carry on with the 2,R1’s you would win at spin 35,+300 but you’d been betting 10 R1’s as there was plenty of 1x’s wasn’t there.  Why risk it?

Todays J247 #'s on the above

[Mister Eko]

Hi there.

I read a lot about the KTF system, I saw that the topic had around 118 pages. Can someone a little bit clarify how to play this system?

I saw well, that Notto a little bit modified the KTF and you has a different version? Can you please tell us how to play with your version? I am curious of it, anyway well done, its looks like a very profitable system. I think the both.

Thanks.

[jono1167]

Hi there.

I read a lot about the KTF system, I saw that the topic had around 118 pages. Can someone a little bit clarify how to play this system?

I saw well, that Notto a little bit modified the KTF and you has a different version? Can you please tell us how to play with your version? I am curious of it, anyway well done, its looks like a very profitable system. I think the both.

Thanks.

Hi Mister Eko

I have been playing KTF the way Notto suggested. I believe the method is quite simple. Complete 10 spins and then bet on the un-hit numbers. With a single zero wheel, your first bet (with no repeats) will be 27 units.

My first bet is generally 27 or 28 units, occasionally 29 units (depending on repeats).  If you have a loss, add +1 unit. When you have a win, you go down a unit.

I've noticed Notto generally cashes out around 50 units, but it's up to you. Hopefully I have described the basic rules correctly, if not, please let me know.

Notto has published a lot of charts on this thread, make sure you have a good look at these. They will  tell you everything you need to know about how the game ebbs and flows.

[RouletteGhost]

It’s certainly a decent method

Winning days far outweigh the losing days

The problem is it’s not playable on a live wheel

Airball it may be. I haven’t tested on airball. Only on paper.

If you are quick enough to get down 27 bets on airball then this can be good.

Provided airball wheels are fair. No one knows if that’s the case.

[jono1167]

Agreed Roulette Ghost, you couldn’t play this on a live wheel, even if you were quick enough you would eventually make a mistake.

Mister Eko - when you look at Nottos charts, you will notice he writes KTF in one of the columns. This is where he stops betting.

[Mister Eko]

Good morning, thanks for the replies guys.

My first test was extremely good. I went up from 200 units to 711 under around 150-200 spins. This was around 20-30 comppete session with 30-50 session wingoals, what you recommended in ktf charts. I was guys so happy that I founded the HG, that I opened another testing session, and I said, go.

I can say that roulette fckd up me three from 5 sessions.

The problem what I saw, is that ehen I had example 9/10 or 10/10, in the 11-20 section came up for me 3-4 repeaters, and then I cant correct from such a big drowdown. At 21-30 section came up another 3-5 repeaters, and it could kill 400-500 euro bankroll. It happened me three times in 5 session.

Then I gave up a little bit.

How about your playing style with this? Are you playing ktf still?

Or the cousin wtf or gut? Can I ask how these 2 system works ? Just a basic idea, like jono said before, for me is enough to understand.

Big thanks guys.

[Steve]

Winning days far outweigh the losing days

So if you played perfectly, your bankroll would just keep growing?

Or does it mostly have winning days with the problem being the losing days wipe you out?

[jono1167]

Sorry Mister Eko, as strong as KTF is, you should have a stop loss in place. Runs of repeats do happen. My stop loss is 200 units.

[RouletteGhost]

Like anything a proper stop loss makes all the difference. In stocks as well.

[Steve]

Stocks and roulette are quite different. A stop loss in roulette wont help at all, unless you are playing perhaps once in your life.

You could stop, right before a big winning streak. Or you could stop before average results occur. Or even further big losses occur. There are many possibilities. Stop loss is useless. You either have an edge or you dont.

If you have no edge, the chances are any further play means more loss. If you have an edge, chances are further play means more profit.