KTF

[Mister Eko]

Notto,

it was good countbacking, but in casino at airball within 30-60 seconds its quiet low time. Yes calculating and writing the TROT is not time, but can you post one gameplay from my uploaded games , how would you play a session number by number, spin by spin ?

So that how you utilize the TROT in sessions?

[The General]

Until you find a way to improve the accuracy of your predictions your method will perform no better than just guessing.
Systems like the LOTT/KTF/GUT are the results of a cover story invented by a couple of VB friends of mine to hide how they were really winning.
You're chasing a farce. 

January 1982, when two gamblers
consistently won a lot of money at the
roulette tables of several casinos,
including the Rubicon Sporting Club.
When they were arrested for possessing
a sub-miniature radio link they claimed
to have invented an 'unheatable' system
for winning at roulette.
Having helped the police with their
inquiries for two days in the cells of a
Northampton Police Station, the gamblers
were rcleased and given the opportunity to
repeat their performance under close
supervision, but this time with no money
at stake. It was reported in the newspapers
at the time that the team picked the
winning number on average four out of
every five spins of the roulette wheel. The
pair insisted that their system was based
on complex mathematical workings.
TIle casino industly sought advice and
help from the leading casino equipment
manufacturer of the day, who directed thc
author [0 explain and to prove the success
of the 'unbeatable' system. To fulfil these
objectives the autilor devised several test
procedures fOl assessing roulette wheels
(If variolls style., and from several
manufacturers. The wheels were assessed
both mechanically and in lerms of their
behavior.

[The General]

Magic. Predicting where the ball will land

I call it hocus pocus

The sting: did gang really use a laser, phone and a computer to take the Ritz for £1.3m?  link:s://:.theguardian.com/science/2004/mar/23/sciencenews.crime

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Now the cover story regarding more on the LOTT and why so many system junkies create spin off systems based on it.

The two men were playing visual ballistics and were busted using while using a hidden communication device. (The device enabled the vb observer to discretely say the predicted number into the player’s ear so that he could then bet a 12 number section of the wheel.) (It was not a computer.) They had been winning quite a bit of money, all over Europe with their method. When interrogated by the police, the Polish member of the group, Paul Phillips, claimed to be a mathematical genius that had invented a method based on the “Phillip’s Law of The Third.” Of course, both the name of the man and the system were just a cover story for the visual ballistics.

After being arrested and spending the night in jail, the police chose to let them out of jail and offered them a chance to prove that they weren’t cheating by demonstrating their 12 number betting method. So they did, over five whole spins. LOL! When they hit three or four times, the casino and police were flabbergasted at their hit rate. (Keep in mind the police and gaming were basically as stupid and naive as they are now.) Consequently, reports of the law of the third’s success spread like wild fire! Everyone wanted in on the system. Even to this day people naively believe that the law of the third can win. All because of a cover story.

Of course, later on, people like Ron Shelly and George Melas came to realize what was really taking place. The men were visual ballistic/wheel watchers. They continued onward, making millions on their tour across Europe. As did some German teams. Their success led to the invention and production of the low profile wheel.

So their you have it. The GUT is a farce. It’s a built upon a cover story created by two clever visual ballistic players that made it popular back in 1982.

There you have it RouletteGhost.  Now, why don't you make another brilliant comment. 

[The General]

RouletteGhost-
Magic. Predicting where the ball will land

I call it hocus pocus

1. The sting: did gang really use a laser, phone and a computer to take the Ritz for £1.3m?  link:s://:.theguardian.com/science/2004/mar/23/sciencenews.crime

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2.  Now the cover story regarding more on the LOTT and why so many system junkies create spin off systems based on it.

The two men were playing visual ballistics and were busted using while using a hidden communication device. (The device enabled the vb observer to discretely say the predicted number into the player’s ear so that he could then bet a 12 number section of the wheel.) (It was not a computer.) They had been winning quite a bit of money, all over Europe with their method. When interrogated by the police, the Polish member of the group, Paul Phillips, claimed to be a mathematical genius that had invented a method based on the “Phillip’s Law of The Third.” Of course, both the name of the man and the system were just a cover story for the visual ballistics.

After being arrested and spending the night in jail, the police chose to let them out of jail and offered them a chance to prove that they weren’t cheating by demonstrating their 12 number betting method. So they did, over five whole spins. LOL! When they hit three or four times, the casino and police were flabbergasted at their hit rate. (Keep in mind the police and gaming were basically as stupid and naive as they are now.) Consequently, reports of the law of the third’s success spread like wild fire! Everyone wanted in on the system. Even to this day people naively believe that the law of the third can win. All because of a cover story.

Of course, later on, people like Ron Shelly and George Melas came to realize what was really taking place. The men were visual ballistic/wheel watchers. They continued onward, making millions on their tour across Europe. As did some German teams. Their success led to the invention and production of the low profile wheel.

So their you have it. The GUT is a farce. It’s a built upon a cover story created by two clever visual ballistic players that made it popular back in 1982.

There you have it RouletteGhost.  Now, why don't you make another brilliant comment. 


By the way, I can provide numerous casino investigations into losses involving predictive and bias wheel players.  Can you provide even one that involves a system involving the KTF, Trot, or any other system?

[jono1167]

Notto

Thanks for sharing all of your KTF knowledge. It's great stuff and I'm working my way through it.

There a few people like myself who are the beneficiaries of your work. Cheers Notto.

Anyway, off to record game 82 of KTF.....

[Mister Eko]

I also want to thank you for your sharing and your advices Notto. Maybe we disclvered something different.

I continued it for my way, I also posted to here my playing way:

link:s://:.roulettelife.com/index.php?topic=2584.0

[RouletteGhost]

Notto

Thanks for sharing all of your KTF knowledge. It's great stuff and I'm working my way through it.

There a few people like myself who are the beneficiaries of your work. Cheers Notto.

Anyway, off to record game 82 of KTF.....

Are all 82 wins?

[The General]

Are all 82 wins?

The correct question is on how many spins were bets placed?  Does it win flat betting?  And how many standard deviations above the norm are the results?

[jono1167]

Roulette Ghost - No, they are not all wins. I have a stop loss in place which I have used a couple of times. I am left wondering if I had 'kept the faith', would I have got myself back in profit? Despite activating the stop-loss a couple of times, the wins far outnumber the losses.

General, I spin the wheel ten times and then I start betting the un-hit numbers. I keep betting until I am between 20 - 30 units in profit. After 82 games I have placed 701 bets. The lowest number of bets in a game is five - the perfect game (no repeats and a profit of between 45 - 55 units). The highest number of bets I have had for a single game is 24. On this particular game I got away with 39 units of profit.

I will post comprehensive results when I have completed 200 games. Who knows, the system might even fall over... I would be surprised though.

Sorry, I am only able to play one or two games a day so I am still a couple of months away from sharing results.

[jono1167]

Sorry General, I use Notto's suggested progression +1 unit on a loss, -1 unit on a win.

Sorry, I don't understand your question about 'standard deviations above the norm'.

[The General]

If a system doesn't win flat betting, then it can't win in the long run with a progression.

[luckyfella]

Roulette Ghost - No, they are not all wins. I have a stop loss in place which I have used a couple of times. I am left wondering if I had 'kept the faith', would I have got myself back in profit? Despite activating the stop-loss a couple of times, the wins far outnumber the losses.

General, I spin the wheel ten times and then I start betting the un-hit numbers. I keep betting until I am between 20 - 30 units in profit. After 82 games I have placed 701 bets. The lowest number of bets in a game is five - the perfect game (no repeats and a profit of between 45 - 55 units). The highest number of bets I have had for a single game is 24. On this particular game I got away with 39 units of profit.

I will post comprehensive results when I have completed 200 games. Who knows, the system might even fall over... I would be surprised though.

Sorry, I am only able to play one or two games a day so I am still a couple of months away from sharing results.

This game as you describe it is a loser.

1000people play it at their casinos, some win some lose.
The sum total of all their games is a negative number.

It is not an opinion.
The roulette math of unfair payout makes this a loser.

Ofc you can post your 200 meaningless result out of the millions of results out there.

If you play it with the correct math, the best you get is breakeven itlr.

[jono1167]

No worries - I'll keep going with the 200 games. Happy for it to fall over and will post the results either way.

Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky so far....   

[RouletteGhost]

There may be some derailing going on here

Let’s stay on topic of the system

Any other side topics on this and that can have their own threads.

Standard deviations and flat betting can have their own thread as this system is played with a +1/-1 progression

Some members not agreeing has no relevance.

[luckyfella]

Just to clarify my post that's not negative nor seek to derail this on-going discussion.

If I am not wrong either Jono or MisterEko(more likely) started a thread on another forum(I am not active) with his intention to seek input to help improve his method.

If he reads carefully my post above, he might find the help he seek.

Find the right conditions to win.
You have not thought through the math process thorough enough to find out why those other players, including yourself, in sum total lose that the casinos certainly win.

Nothing more to add.