KTF

[Robbert]

What is the stoploss?

[Robbert]

And for how many spins we play the +1 -1?

Thanks in advance!

[Shogun]

And for how many spins we play the +1 -1?

Thanks in advance!

Until you reach your stop loss or win target.
Think Notto used -800 as a stop loss. Some used a more conservative -400 units.

Some aim for about + 50 target and some like to take the first win and start over 

[The General]

A winning system doesn't have a stop loss. 

[Mister Eko]

A winning system doesn't have a stop loss.

Sorry, but you says such a fckn bullshits that I just hold my head.

[RouletteGhost]

“A winning system Doesn’t have a stoploss”

A truly asinine comment

It’s a negative expectation game. To prevent heavy losses a stop loss is the responsible thing to do

Caleb is talking about gaining an edge. Which is a horse he beats for decades. We aren’t talking about that.

A stop loss ensures the winning sessions overcome the losing sessions

It’s best for people to ignore him

Also, a winning system is relative. People consider different things a win. Some people take the first profit and do this daily and call it a winner. Caleb would say it’s a loser because you should be able to continuously play. It’s all relative and he is an idiot.

If I played a strategy once a day for first profit and quit I’d call it a winner. Steve and caleb would say not enough spins for their each individual agenda.

[The General]

A stop loss ensures the winning sessions overcome the losing sessions

A stop loss works...until you decide to return and gambler again, and again.

It’s all relative and he is an idiot.

Psst..I know you're passionate about your views, but attack the message not the poster. 
For example you can say the comment is stupid, etc...but you don't want to call the poster stupid.  

[Bigbroben]

Put any fixed goal, any fixed stoploss, any fixed progression and you'll have a negative result in the end.  Could stay positive for a hundred games, so 10 years if you play once per month, but the average of all possible outcomes is below zero.  True for ktf.   The more agressive the progression, the higher the percentage of won games.  But the deeper the losses.
That's it.

[Mako]

Put any fixed goal, any fixed stoploss, any fixed progression and you'll have a negative result in the end.  Could stay positive for a hundred games, so 10 years if you play once per month, but the average of all possible outcomes is below zero.  True for ktf.   The more agressive the progression, the higher the percentage of won games.  But the deeper the losses.
That's it.

It has become an endless journey, trying to figure out a pathway that puts KTF into the positive...but so far, I haven’t been able to achieve it either.

It will behave for a long time, with unhits and/or repeats occurring at the predetermined timepoints, but outlier scenarios can and do occur and throw big monkey wrenches into the machine.

Yesterday I had a downloaded spin set from Wiesbaden Duisburg have a cycle where 29 uniques hit in a row. I just laughed at it, the insanity of that. And yes, if you bet repeats past that point you did well (though not as well as I would have expected).

Tough game, and KTF base principals are useful in learning how a cycle behaves...and how it doesn’t.

[jono1167]

Put any fixed goal, any fixed stoploss, any fixed progression and you'll have a negative result in the end.  Could stay positive for a hundred games, so 10 years if you play once per month, but the average of all possible outcomes is below zero.  True for ktf.   The more agressive the progression, the higher the percentage of won games.  But the deeper the losses.
That's it.

Really interesting to hear this Ben.... Trust me, I'm trying to break it. My stop-loss is 150 and I've activated it twice in 83 games.

[jono1167]

It has become an endless journey, trying to figure out a pathway that puts KTF into the positive...but so far, I haven’t been able to achieve it either.

It will behave for a long time, with unhits and/or repeats occurring at the predetermined timepoints, but outlier scenarios can and do occur and throw big monkey wrenches into the machine.

Yesterday I had a downloaded spin set from Wiesbaden Duisburg have a cycle where 29 uniques hit in a row. I just laughed at it, the insanity of that. And yes, if you bet repeats past that point you did well (though not as well as I would have expected).

Tough game, and KTF base principals are useful in learning how a cycle behaves...and how it doesn’t.

Did you have a stop-loss Mako? Were you sticking around until you were 40 - 50 units in profit? I have been stopping my games when I'm 20 - 30 units in profit (on average). In games where there have been several repeats, I'm happy to cash out with a minuscule  profit (less than 5 units). 

[Bigbroben]

I realized there are almost two different ''schools'' on how to express a goal: to reach x units or to reach a first profit.

A x-unit goal is somewhat a personal point.  The other way: to take first profit could be a better expression applied to a game goal: 
-First profit?
-First.
- Well, how many are there anyways?
-Euh...

Here:
KTF flat.  Start to play with 35nrs.  Do it 20k times.
How many new highs will one get per game?  Around 10.


Testing now with a game starting after 2nd repeater, so around spin 12.
7k so far.  Average is more like 6,5.


You can't have 35 new highs: this would be a perfect game.  But you certainly can have more than one.  You could have 5 and not have attained the personal set goal.  But you'd know less than half of the runs make it past the x-nh mark.  How many nrs are left?  Lots to think about.

A good observation, decision, or guts, could help to know when to keep on going  and win-win-win, or when to stop losing.  I'm afraid though this can't be coded, or fix.

[Mister Eko]

Put any fixed goal, any fixed stoploss, any fixed progression and you'll have a negative result in the end.  Could stay positive for a hundred games, so 10 years if you play once per month, but the average of all possible outcomes is below zero.  True for ktf.   The more agressive the progression, the higher the percentage of won games.  But the deeper the losses.
That's it.

Then why we play roulette ?

[luckyfella]

Then why we play roulette ?

That's under the belt comment.

Posters like you give systems players a bad name.

Pls we may be systems players but we definitely are not stupid like you.

[Mister Eko]

Why are you call me stupid ?