KTF

[nottophammer]

The last reply i saw was ghost's at 12:17 am
I was going to post something, but see it's been busy.

[nottophammer]

General
You seem to be the person stuck with the Law of the third.
All the LOTT does is tell a person that the average for 37 spins is 24 non-hit’s. Which is not really any help? It won’t show them where those 24 are going to hit, probably no method will or could.
But what you can do is watch the TROT of the non-hit.
Just watching the 1/37 spin as you and the other expert tell us won’t help either.
But what you need to have is some sort of time table; that D;Darko couldn’t grasp and also you; as well.
If you go to the non-hit time table topic; there’s your posted star burst spins. It show’s like the other time tables that the non-hit average to hit in 2 spins; up to the 19th non-hit.
Is that enough knowing average is 2 spins; answer no. You need to know their maximum to hit and these are in the non-hit time table.
Now the above is from the gold standard MPR that you praise so much, that’s using if correct, your gold standard Random.org numbers.
So you can see it’s a fast set of numbers; which I said to player Hogly; 25 spins and only 2 repeats. I even said to him when the next repeat happened.
Now I won on spin 20; as I was betting spins 1-10, that ended 10/10. Next I started to bet the hottest and won +232.
So you see some of us don’t stumble around, I for one can get out of that hole; using the knowledge of non-hit’s.
Now the one piece of info that is better than LOTT is countback.
Even you should be able to see that it show’s where the expected non-hit could hit. But you also have to know all about the non-hit and repeat and know where likely these repeat’s happen.
But everyone should remember it’s still a game of chance; unless you have technology that can predict; but this type of help is not allowed where I play in UK, B+M’s.

[nottophammer]

KTF is just bet straight after spin 10; betting with disregard of any methods you know; it’s just +1/-1.
But what you should do is gain some knowledge of non-hit.
To help I gave the non-hit time tables, one; even the Generals star burst.
I look at the game from the non-hit side, so with average of 2 spins, where’s the problem. I’ll tell you it’s how far your BR lets you bet them.
I’d say Mako’s consecutive is not out of the unusual, as you start with the larger group, these deplete making repeats more likely. But with 27 or 28 you are favourite to win; 5 consecutively you stop.  Remember Gut, spin 13; what’s happened in spins 1-10?

[nottophammer]

That's 29 consecutive, +55 why carry on, General will say why stop, because the one hits need to repeat.

[nottophammer]

Before the posted MPR.
Here betting in spins 1-10 ended in profit
9-9-10L-10L-9-9-10-9-9-10L-10L-9-8-10L-7-9-9-9-8-9-9-8-9-10L-8-10L-9-9

[nottophammer]

Take the 1st 9-9; so spins 11-20; spin 16 you'd stop.

I don't know for the rest but i won and thats all that matters.

[Bigbroben]

Then why we play roulette ?

Why do you buy a brand new car if you know you'll lose net worth with it?

[jono1167]

More great info there. Thanks again Notto.

[nottophammer]

Jono

Look in ROTT
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.msg197590#msg197590

[jono1167]

Jono

Look in ROTT
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.msg197590#msg197590

More good info.... Will do.

Thanks Notto

[Bigbroben]

What is the stoploss?

If a game happens to be in negative territory, it is worth knowing if there is a potential of recovery.

The maximal possible units won is equal to 36x the nrs left(n) , minus its cost, so nrs left times its average:
(36-(average n) x n).  I do not include progressions in this scenario

Example:
There are 8 nrs left.  Maximum future winnings are:
(36-average(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8))x8
So: (36-4.5)x8.  So a maximum of 252 units to come.  All the following losses will reduce this potential gain.

Now the question is: if it is calculated that a perfect end game ( all unhits hitting back to back) is not enough to recover from an actual deficit, is it worth pursuing the game?

Let's say this measurement would be the applied stop-loss: the point where it is mathematically impossible to recover in the game. 
How many games would end above this threshold, how many under?  By what difference?

All calculated flat, so KTF flat, no prog,, here are some results, 90k games:
56,65% of the games ended higher than the stoploss, 43,35% lower.
Nevertheless, if calculated the difference between the end game score and the stoploss, the average stoploss is 3.51units higher than the average game ends where the stoploss was triggered.

This means, if the stoploss is triggered, most of the time a next win with bring the score higher but never above zero.  And that overall, a stoploss prevents you from digging ever deeper in hopes of a lesser worse situation, when a real bad end comes in.

I'd go like that: at the point where you know you'll never make it above water, if there are enough nrs left, I'd go until next hit then stop.  If the stoploss is attained with very few nrs left, just stop.

My thoughts.

[RouletteGhost]

This is a question for those actually playing KTF in the real world

Meaning you get up and goto the actual casino and play

Is anyone playing this on airball machines?

This question is not for the million spin RX wizards. It’s for real world people. 

[The General]

Let's say you're playing and you hit your stop loss.

How long must you wait before you can return to the casino and why? 
How is it different from just starting again on the very next spin? 

[Roulettebeater]

Stoploss is the ultimative gambler fallacy that needs to be added to the book of fallacies!

[Steve]

How long must you wait before you can return to the casino and why? 
How is it different from just starting again on the very next spin? 

Valid questions. Icelandic trolling.