Street Betting System

[mogul397]

Hey Mogul,

I'm starting the betting as soon as I have an outcome that would need at least 4 line bets (some people call them double streets)

If two adjacent streets hit, I will combine those into 1 line bet.

If a street has been hit but neither of the adjacent streets have been, I will use the street closer to 6 or 7 depending on the side of table it is on.

Let's say we have a spin series where street 1, 4, 8, and 11 are hit. This would be turned into the following bets:

1/2
4/5 (could do 3/4 but street 5 is closer to 6)
7/8 (could do 8/9 but street 7 is closer to middle)
10/11 (could do 11/12 but again street 10 is closer to middle street 7)

Hope that clears it up.

Oh and I do not have Zumma

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Here is an example of a question. This game shows you winning
on the 7th spin.  That means after 6 spins, you saw an opportunity.
It also looks like, despite thinking in terms of "double streets", you
bet street 7 with 8 (?)  but didn't double up on others, since your
profit was +2.

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Here's another one. Spin #6 was where you got in, and somehow
you only lost 4 units on the 1st bet (out of 6 streets bet?).

Not sure. Can you explain?
The original was was clear (but this has way more
betting ops)

Thanks

[whoisthewomanme]

i thought it was a 3 number street. but in fact you are doing line bets of 6 numbers?

On Page 1, in post 6 I mentioned that I had also been experimenting with line bets in addition to street bets.

[whoisthewomanme]

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Here is an example of a question. This game shows you winning
on the 7th spin.  That means after 6 spins, you saw an opportunity.
It also looks like, despite thinking in terms of "double streets", you
bet street 7 with 8 (?)  but didn't double up on others, since your
profit was +2.

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Here's another one. Spin #6 was where you got in, and somehow
you only lost 4 units on the 1st bet (out of 6 streets bet?).

Not sure. Can you explain?
The original was was clear (but this has way more
betting ops)

Thanks

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In this game... all you have to do is look at the tracker.... at spin 6... streets 1,3,4,8, & 10 have been hit.

These are condensed down to 4 line bets (or double streets as some people call them) They are combined down to 1/2, 3/4, 7/8, and 9/10.

We are betting as soon as all the numbers that come up can be covered with 4 line bets.

The profit was (+2u) because we used line bets. The formula for profits on line bets is 6 - number of line bets = profit. so 6 - 4 = +2u



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In this game... yes, I lost 4units on the first bet since it was a bet using 4 line bets each with 1 u. Then switched to streets since now a 5th line bet would be required. Staying with line bets doesn't make sense as now I have to push the progression up too aggressively. In switching over to streets now I don't have to progress up.

[mogul397]

Since I haven't had to go past a second bet during any of these games, I'd say it's safe to lower the session bankroll down from 240u. I was prepared to risk all 240u during progression but seems that may not be necessary.

It may be better to only progress once after the initial bet. If the second bet lost (it hasn't yet!) then stop game and start a new one.

Anyone else agree that this may be a better idea?

To try and speed the game up, I'm thinking about tracking just enough numbers to require 4 line bets and then entering. I'll let you guys know how this goes. If anyone else wants to help with testing, I'd appreciate it!

What this seems to boil down to is that you are playing 2 dozens (piece meal).

The 1,3,9 progression is very common place here. And some like to consider the 27 unit bet
(per dozen).  So your thinking is on the right track.  Perhaps the benefit (so far) in this is
better bet selection.

[RouletteGhost]

Betting for it to go from 3 hits to 4 hits. Do you find it better on streets or lines?

[whoisthewomanme]

Could be better bet selection. Sure the first two bets may be like double dozens but then we switch to streets. No longer following dozens at all.

Also, we don't follow the typical 1,3,9, progression. The progression could start 1,1,2... and then we will continue using street bets for the better risk to reward.

[mogul397]

Kind of failed in the book.

Can't chase it more than 3 losses.

[mogul397]

Could be better bet selection. Sure the first two bets may be like double dozens but then we switch to streets. No longer following dozens at all.

Also, we don't follow the typical 1,3,9, progression. The progression could start 1,1,2... and then we will continue using street bets for the better risk to reward.

Then I misunderstood.

If you are betting 4 double streets, that's 2 dozen numbers.
The only progression you can recover from that is 1,3 9.

Explain the math.

I hit a bad spot. And I'm not sure how much to chase it.
Winning every 1st or 2nd try is sweet.  For anything. But it didn't happen.

[mogul397]

My numbers from zumma pg 39 (I know you don't have the book, just documenting my source.


33     11     
16     6
29     10
0       0
10     4  play 3/4 5/6 9/10/11/12
11            6  Win

If you bet 1 unit on each double street, you lose the 4 units and
get paid 5.   +1U profit. Not +2U

Continue
00     0
30     10
27     9
23     8
36     5 
11     4   Play 3/4 7/8 9/10/11/12
30    Win section 10.  +1 unit.  Not 2 units.  1 unit on each double street.


Done right?

[whoisthewomanme]

It can take more than 3 losses depending on the number of street bets required and your bankroll.

You say: The only progression you can recover from that is 1,3 9.

That is wrong.

Let's say first bet losses and we are -4u. The last spin result requires a 5th line bet. When a 5th line bet is required we switch to streets.

Let's say that we have 5 streets. We can now place a bet with 1u per street. 12 - numbers of streets to bet on = profit.

12-5 = 7u. We had a -4u loss and now we are up a net +3u.

I suggest you reread everything I've posted and learn the rules.

I don't follow the order of your spin results with it being in two columns.

[RouletteGhost]

I suggest you reread everything I've posted and learn the rules.

will take ages

dont hold your breath

ultimate thread destroyer this guy

reply #36- "Mogul. Try not to throw it in the trash if it has a few losses on zumma. Just some friendly advice to you. Because you do do that"

[mogul397]

It can take more than 3 losses depending on the number of street bets required and your bankroll.

You say: The only progression you can recover from that is 1,3 9.

That is wrong.

Let's say first bet losses and we are -4u. The last spin result requires a 5th line bet. When a 5th line bet is required we switch to streets.

Let's say that we have 5 streets. We can now place a bet with 1u per street. 12 - numbers of streets to bet on = profit.

12-5 = 7u. We had a -4u loss and now we are up a net +3u.

I suggest you reread everything I've posted and learn the rules.

I don't follow the order of your spin results with it being in two columns.

First of all, I was incorrect about what I said about only winning "1 units".  The conventional
thinking that I got caught in was betting 1 unit per dozen.  In this case we are betting
2 units per dozen, splitting it across double streets.  So the payoff betting 2 units per dozen is
3 units. My mistake. I tend to think to fast.  The unit size is different.  And the math.

To answer your question at the end about "two columbs" or "two dozens", betting 24 numbers is
2 dozen, 4 double streets, or 8 streets.  Playing 4 double streets is 2 dozen. Which pays
2-1.

Playing the occasional extra street makes the math and the chances a little worse, if you get over
8 streets, or 4 double streets, which is what you look for.

Yes, if you bet 5 streets, that cuts down the exposure and increases the profit equation.
But my understanding of the instructions was that you waited for enough streets to be hit
for you to cover 4 double streets by existing street hits, or filling in the streets into
groups of two by adding the streets that "pair" with a hit street.

Forgive me if I'm a little unclear about only betting 5 or 7 streets (which is still better than
I'll review what you said to see if I can understand it better, but the profit math is still a little hard.

[mogul397]

BTW, you said you play two adjacent streets if they hit.
But I also see you backfill an unhit street to make a double street,
as long as the "sister" street has a hit.

[whoisthewomanme]

BTW, you said you play two adjacent streets if they hit.
But I also see you backfill an unhit street to make a double street,
as long as the "sister" street has a hit.

As I explained it in post 6 on the first page...

[whoisthewomanme]

3 Games so far this morning. All winners.