Blue Angel's HG (Fallacious)

[RouletteGhost]

see post #40

[Steve]

If you mean the RX testing, where is that RX file so I can test?

[MrJ]

No he didn't.

Watching a system and then betting intermittently over 1 million spins is not the same as having placed 1 million bets.  My guess is that he's only bet on a small portion of those when running his tests.

Actual placed bets are likely less than a few thousand, if even that many.

Steve is correct.  Blue's system is worthless.

....as I had said but hey, I was being negative. Negative Kenny they call me round these parts. Its not 1 million, trust me, its not folks. "Negative Kenny" has laundry to do now.

[The General]

 Regarding post number 40...

He didn't test it over 1 million placed bets.  He simply hopped in and out of a million spins and probably only placed a few hundred...possibly a couple of thousand actual bets.

  After the same number of placed bets you'll find that the failure rate is the same with or without Blue's trigger.

[Blue_Angel]

I've just crossed through an article: the-lies-of-roulettephysics-com

[Blue_Angel]

I don't like to be the bearer of polarization but it lays down some interesting points, so here it goes;
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"The Lies of Roulettephysics.com"

Today I will tell you about the fake winning systems and the useless overpriced roulette
computers of Roulette Physics.com 
Buyer beware!

Think about it If you had a successful method of making millions on the roulette table using
some super-duper roulette computer...

Would you waste your time all day on the web writing BS about others?

If you had a working roulette computer would you have being sued and convicted for fraud by your buyers? 

If you had a way to win at roulette would you spend all day managing over 20 sites and 5 different forums?

And try really hard yet unsuccessfully on each and every one of them to sell your overpriced junk you call with fancy names Like "hybrid roulette system" or "JAA System''?

"The Roulette Systems & Strategies That Are Winning Fortunes and How To Get Them Free"

Well meet Steven Hourmouzis.   
Someone who apparently  believes that a fool is born every second and is constantly and tirelessly looking for buyers among them.

He condemns each and every roulette system known to man yet he has the nerve to advertise: 

"The  Roulette Systems & Strategies That Are Winning  Fortunes and How To Get Them Free". 

If you believe this you would  believe anything!
He knows that not everyone will part with his hard earned money to buy a useless roulette
computer so he tries to lure buyers by promising "winning  systems'' and if you ask him if the systems he presents in his site really work he would  tell you:

"well if you really need a winning system you need to buy my $1.500  or $2.500  or $50.000  roulette  computer". 

Yes believe it or not he has ''successful roulette computers"  in all price ranges.
He even has a $50.000  roulette computer, after all you never know for how much money you can take someone for a ride and there will always be players with more money than sense.

Now let's recap;

He advertises that he is giving free winning roulette systems
Then he sells something for $1500, then something else for $2500 and his best computer for $50.000.

Does this makes sense to you?
Why sell something for thousands of dollars if you give a winning system for free?

I  don't know how more plainly to put it that:
If something sounds too good to be true it probably is.

I  really don't know how many people have fallen for this BS and have parted with their hard
earned money, there is still hope though.

You see Steven Hourmouzis  have been successfully sued in 2013 and the ''happy buyer" of his computer eventually got his money back, but it was a long battle.

Steven Hourmouzis is not new to the web.
As I  already said he owns (has bought) a myriad of roulette sites and forums where he tries to promote  his new site: roulettephysics.com.
Although  he has all these already established sites in 2015 he created this new site.
The reason? To hide. 

You see people weren't trusting him and were hearing nightmare  stories about him and his products.
So he decided  to start a fresh, with a new site, with his name nowhere to be found on the site.

Hidden behind ''companies"  like Natural Laboratories pty Ltd.
Skype names like "rouletteanalysis" and other legit sounding tricks to hide and prey for new "happy customers".

Why am I telling you this? Why do I care?
First we write this in order to inform any potential buyers that roulettephysics.com is not what it seems to be.
The guy behind that site has a dark history.
The old timers know all about him, but the newbies don't, they can be fooled.

Secondly he has the nerve to attack us.
You see, we are one of the few independent informative sites about roulette he hasn't bought.

He can not stand this, oh and he hates our system, the Kavouras bet.
He is so over the edge he tried to bash a system he does not know (just from reading the first part of our system: our bet selection)
He tries to diminish our systems using silly arguments like "no system wins" while at the same time he advertises "Roulette Systems & Strategies That Are Winning Fortunes".

Well he probably means that they will win a fortune for him by deceiving potential buyers.

J.Kavouras

[Steve]

Oh wow. Where did this all come from? It looks like a dummy spit to me.

Ok let me make this simple for you:

1. The rubbish about me being sued is explained at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/
Read it. Its all there. All that basically happened is a new player didnt understand basic download instructions, and started abusing me. He didnt even have the system. So i said to him to speak civilly to me or just get a mediator. And thats all he did. He hired a mediator. Big lawsuit my arse. I agreed to give him a refund in front of the mediator, which he had to behave in front of.

2. The information at roulette30 is recited rubbish from Mark Howe. Do your own research about him.

3. Kav started having a vendetta against me because:

a. I removed his spam links from this forum. Spam is not allowed.
b. I tried to politely explained why the system he was selling, the Kavouras bet, didnt work.

And then he cracked it at me calling me arrogant, and that my opinion was just my opinion. I tried to politely explain that mathematical fact was not an opinion.

So, now he's an idiot with a vendetta. And so are you blue angel. And what did I do to you? Well you see I just told you politely why your system wont work either. You are no better than Kav.

I didnt attack Kav. I didnt attack you either. I just explained some simple facts.

[Blue_Angel]

So, now he's an idiot with a vendetta. And so are you blue angel. And what did I do to you? Well you see I just told you politely why your system wont work either. You are no better than Kav.

I just informed you about the article, I didn't write it, so why are you calling me idiot?

I've not offended you, so why are you doing this?

And why me and Kavouras are the same person regarding your perspective??

[thelaw]

Oh wow. Where did this all come from? It looks like a dummy spit to me.

Ok let me make this simple for you:

1. The rubbish about me being sued is explained at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/
Read it. Its all there. All that basically happened is a new player didnt understand basic download instructions, and started abusing me. He didnt even have the system. So i said to him to speak civilly to me or just get a mediator. And thats all he did. He hired a mediator. Big lawsuit my arse. I agreed to give him a refund in front of the mediator, which he had to behave in front of.

2. The information at roulette30 is recited rubbish from Mark Howe. Do your own research about him.

3. Kav started having a vendetta against me because:

a. I removed his spam links from this forum. Spam is not allowed.
b. I tried to politely explained why the system he was selling, the Kavouras bet, didnt work.

And then he cracked it at me calling me arrogant, and that my opinion was just my opinion. I tried to politely explain that mathematical fact was not an opinion.

So, now he's an idiot with a vendetta. And so are you blue angel. And what did I do to you? Well you see I just told you politely why your system wont work either. You are no better than Kav.

I didnt attack Kav. I didnt attack you either. I just explained some simple facts.

Well, Steve..........I greatly appreciate you keeping all of these posts up in the spirit of complete transparency.

I would love to see this come to a profitable conclusion for everyone where we can get to the bottom of BA's method.

If not, then we will have accomplished nothing................hopefully someone can code this!!!

[The General]

A good post from Mr. J...

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'll try and explain, its the best I can do. LONG TERM players here (you know who you are) have put in the time (and money) over the YEARS to know what does NOT work. Does that mean we (the veterans) all agree with each other? Of course not but I would guess, its pretty close. I can even use Snowman as an example. Are him and I buds? Nope but we do share a few common view points, we BOTH know what does not work.

Myself > Betting only a couple numbers, no progression, no damn triggers.

Steve > Does his own thing with roulette computers & roulette physics.

Snowman > No methods, AP only.

Are any of us three similar? Nope but the thing we have in COMMON, we know what will NOT work.

Most (not all) of the members here are AT LEAST 6-8 years BEHIND. How do I know this? Because maybe 7-10 years ago, these were the same methods I got excited about...all ended...with a bust but COOL stories to tell your friends!!

I would estimate around 95% of the methods here are....junk....sorry, dont kill me.

"but Ken, what about the other 5%"?

As I stated in the title, its all about KNOWING WHAT DOES *NOT* WORK!!! You have all heard of reverse engineering I assume? Take bits and pieces of MANY methods that show some promise and tweak the hell out of them until you fall asleep on top of your key board. Do this for *YEARS*, not months please.

No progressions (up or down a unit with a loss or win is different), no TRIGGERS, no "wait until", no betting MANY numbers etc. Take this advice or not, I really dont care, I lose nothing and I sleep like a baby because of it. I feel blessed that my TRIAL days are behind me, unlike most here. Back in the day at VIP and the old GG (before it got nuts) most current members would never survive there, you would be lost.

Ken

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I took the liberty of placing the best part in bold color. In short, triggers are worthless.

-The General

[Blue_Angel]

Sometimes the worst accusations are resulting in the best promotion...

[Steve]

Now Blue Angel, I'll address the utter crap from Kavouras. You know the guy selling a system that is mathametically guaranteed to fail. See my comments in blue:

Today I will tell you about the fake winning systems and the useless overpriced roulette
computers of Roulette Physics.com 
Buyer beware!

Think about it If you had a successful method of making millions on the roulette table using
some super-duper roulette computer...

Would you waste your time all day on the web writing BS about others?

What BS? Does he mean "advantage play"? And I have a life outside of work too. Besides, anyone who wants to know if my computers are what I say can:

1. Get a free trial so you can test at home for $0.00 (wow big scammer I am asking for $0.00)
2. Come and test it in person on any wheel you want, including recorded online casino spins that i've never even seen before
3. Attend a public demo, like the one at link:://:.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=PUqjvSvEnX8 - you know the one that mark howe says i paid actors to act all amazed and stuff, and that i used magnets. Yeah if you believe it.
4. Consider that I already sent my computer to a well known and respected forum member, who found I am telling the truth. Details at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/

I spend a lot of time managing my profit split teams, and I openly promote it where anyone can get access to the computers for $0.00. Nothing. Zilch. Again what a big scamaroo i must be.

If you had a working roulette computer would you have being sued and convicted for fraud by your buyers?

Sued for fraud? I mean, come on, really. Like I said:

The rubbish about me being sued is explained at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/
Read it. Its all there. All that basically happened is a new player didnt understand basic download instructions, and started abusing me. He didnt even have the system. So i said to him to speak civilly to me or just get a mediator. And thats all he did. He hired a mediator. Big lawsuit my arse. I agreed to give him a refund in front of the mediator, which he had to behave in front of.

If you had a way to win at roulette would you spend all day managing over 20 sites and 5 different forums?

I could say the same about kav, but I'm really not interested at further explaining why his system tanks. And I spend all day here? Most of my time is spent either testing software or corresponding with players.

And try really hard yet unsuccessfully on each and every one of them to sell your overpriced junk you call with fancy names Like "hybrid roulette system" or "JAA System''?

Fancy names? They are pretty drab actually but what matters is what they do. And again anyone can see any reasonable proof they want. They could just believe the rubbish people like Kav post because he's having a dummy spit, or just find out for themselves.

"The Roulette Systems & Strategies That Are Winning Fortunes and How To Get Them Free"

Well meet Steven Hourmouzis.   
Someone who apparently  believes that a fool is born every second and is constantly and tirelessly looking for buyers among them.

He condemns each and every roulette system known to man yet he has the nerve to advertise: 

"The  Roulette Systems & Strategies That Are Winning  Fortunes and How To Get Them Free". 

If you believe this you would  believe anything!

Huh? Has he even read my site? I list the 5 roulette systems that actually do work at :.roulettephysics.com, and most of them are free like bias analysis: link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-wheel-bias/ or the free visual ballistics videos. Its all on my sitre. No lies there, just Kav's rage at being told he's not allowed to spam, and the truth about the system he's selling and why it doesnt work.

He knows that not everyone will part with his hard earned money to buy a useless roulette
computer so he tries to lure buyers by promising "winning  systems'' and if you ask him if the systems he presents in his site really work he would  tell you:

"well if you really need a winning system you need to buy my $1.500  or $2.500  or $50.000  roulette  computer". 

Yes believe it or not he has ''successful roulette computers"  in all price ranges.
He even has a $50.000  roulette computer, after all you never know for how much money you can take someone for a ride and there will always be players with more money than sense.

Blah blah blah

Now let's recap;

He advertises that he is giving free winning roulette systems

Yeah and as I explained, I do.

Then he sells something for $1500, then something else for $2500 and his best computer for $50.000.

Does this makes sense to you?

Makes perfect sense. I have a lot of different technology. Some beats only a few wheels, and some beat almost every wheel. And there are a variety of benefits to each different technology. By Kav's logic, Amazon is the biggest scammer in history with lots of different products and different prices.

Why sell something for thousands of dollars if you give a winning system for free?

Why is it so hard for him to understand? Blue angel, are you Kav? I man your IP is from greece too, same as Kav.

Anyway let me explain... i give away the less effective methods for free. I either sell more effective methods, or use them in profit split arrangements with partners. Clear now?

I  don't know how more plainly to put it that:
If something sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Yep and anyon can very easily find the simple truth for themselves. My claims are simple. I use physics to predict the winning number. You cant beat all wheels. Whoa major revelation? No, actually pretty darn simple. But the problem is people like Kav have no integrity and work on a personal vendetta. And I'm the liar? No he's just full of hate, and for what? Read back at what happened. I just removed spam and tried to help the man. And you reacted the same way blue angel. You lost the plot when I tried to explain why your system doesnt work.

I  really don't know how many people have fallen for this BS and have parted with their hard
earned money, there is still hope though.

You see Steven Hourmouzis  have been successfully sued in 2013 and the ''happy buyer" of his computer eventually got his money back, but it was a long battle.

Oh you mean Tony Duhamel? A long battle? Wow you drama queen Kav. He sent back the computer and I sent his refund. I didnt want to keep the guys money, thats the kind of big scammer I am. Later agreed to a public challenge so I can prove his claims about my computer were rubbish. And he lost the challenge. Its all at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/bago-tony-duhamel/ and test results at link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/results-of-my-challenge-to-bago/ and to further back it up, I sent my computer for free to ronjo, a well respected forum member who did testing for himself.

Steven Hourmouzis is not new to the web.
As I  already said he owns (has bought) a myriad of roulette sites and forums where he tries to promote  his new site: roulettephysics.com.
Although  he has all these already established sites in 2015 he created this new site.
The reason? To hide.

Yep thats why I publish my real name. To hide. Im not in hiding my friend. I am not desperate for "sales". Either people do their own research, or they dont. They either do things like test the free trial computer with $0.00 risk, or they believe little liars like Kav, or rubbish posts from people like you blue angel.

You see people weren't trusting him and were hearing nightmare  stories about him and his products.
So he decided  to start a fresh, with a new site, with his name nowhere to be found on the site.

Hidden behind ''companies"  like Natural Laboratories pty Ltd.
Skype names like "rouletteanalysis" and other legit sounding tricks to hide and prey for new "happy customers".

Almost everyone knows me. Very few people know my partners who mostly run the sales side of things. It was announced a while back on my blog. They started as purchasers and became partners. And they know very well what would happen if they published their name too, as I have. They would get attacked from morons with vendettas. But they know the truth about eveything, and so do over 1,000 players that have used or continue to use my technology. Only a few morons, like tony duhamel, and vince brandt, have ever had anything bad to say about me. And I already addressed them. Then of course there's morons like kav who dont like their spam being deleted. I initially allowed his links because they didnt seem commercial. But then I saw him selling ads on his site and selling a system.

Why am I telling you this? Why do I care?

I said why. Immature vendetta.

First we write this in order to inform any potential buyers that roulettephysics.com is not what it seems to be.
The guy behind that site has a dark history.

Says who? Oh you mean when I accidentally published my misunderstanding about a company's press releases? link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/rentech/
Yeah that was a bit clumsy. Something like 20 or so years ago when I was fresh out of nappies.

The old timers know all about him, but the newbies don't, they can be fooled.

Yeah they have been around on forums long enough to see when Ronjo received my computer and tested it for free, and showed everyone how full shit of my attackers were

Secondly he has the nerve to attack us.
You see, we are one of the few independent informative sites about roulette he hasn't bought.

He can not stand this, oh and he hates our system, the Kavouras bet.

I dont give a rats backside about him or his bet. Why would I give a crap? I just explained to him why it tanks. Just like I explained why your system tanks too, and you had much the same reaction as him. Like a kid having a dummy spit. Grow up.

He is so over the edge he tried to bash a system he does not know (just from reading the first part of our system: our bet selection)
He tries to diminish our systems using silly arguments like "no system wins" while at the same time he advertises "Roulette Systems & Strategies That Are Winning Fortunes".

Well he probably means that they will win a fortune for him by deceiving potential buyers.

J.Kavouras

Look Blue Angle, kav or whoever. I am an honest person, with a load of bullshit written about him. I used to care, but these days not so much. With the ability to give away free computers for trials, and do public demos, and giving free access to things like the hybrid roulette computer, the rubbish written about me doesnt much matter. Like anyone who has bought the $80,000 hybrid, they of course know all about the rubbish written about me. There are only a few people selling roulette computers. There is nowhere I can hide even if I wanted to. But the thing is anyone willing and able to spend that kind of money does proper research by visiting me, not reading trash from morons like Kav with a vendetta.

Im not going to waste more time responding to bullshit allegations and rubbish about me. Anyone can easily find the truth for themselves, by seeing a live webcam demo, free trials or whatever. Plenty of options. So the truth is very simple to find. And if people rather believe junk posted on forums by "competitors", then they would not even be smart enough to use advantage play systems anyway.

[Steve]

Well, Steve..........I greatly appreciate you keeping all of these posts up in the spirit of complete transparency.

I have so much utter trash written about me, from people who themselves are liars with ulterior motives. Kav is just the latest. I wanted to address it, like I did with mark howe when he started. But the thing is with him, when i debunked one lie, he just made others. Thats why I just created :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com as a single place with the most important points addressed. then people can either take it or leave it. Not my problem.

Blue angel, you said:

I just informed you about the article, I didn't write it, so why are you calling me idiot?

You cant hide behind this saying "oh i didnt write it". do you think i'm stupid? You posted it, although it was completely unrelated and out of context to this thread, as your way of getting back at me. It was pathetically immature. Now I've addressed kav's bullshit, maybe we can get back to whats relevant on this thread.

[Steve]

I did some further research, and as others have suspected, Blue Angel appears to be Kav.

For starters they live in the same area. Its clear from checking multiple IPs. And very few people in Greece have clear English. He aslo refered to content, which at the time, was not even indexed on Kavs site. So he didnt just stumble on Kavs page like he said. He knew about it because he wrote it himself.

If you do further reading on his forum, Kav and Blue Angel dont seem to get into significant discussions. So Kav probably created the alias to make his forum seem more popular.

It also better explains why Blue Angel is so sore at me. There was already a childish vendetta to begin. You know Kav, what you are trying to do to get some kind of petty revenge is not going to do you favours. I did try to be nice to you but you act like a boy with crushed pride. So your system doesnt work. So i tried to explain why. I wasnt attacking your manhood.

Just keep something in mind. All i did was remove spam, as any forum admin would. And i tried nicely to explain why your kavouras bet fails. Now you showed the community the manipulative petty person you are. When mark howe started attacking me, all i did was tell the truth and he sunk deeper and deeper into an abyss of self destruction. In the end he accused me of ruining his life. All i did was defend myself and expose his lies about me. Thats all id ever do with you too. Fortunately the truth is on my side, and i dont need to rely on petty manipulation as you do. From me to you Kav, you know your own manipulation and motives, but dont care. And thats the person, without integrity, that you choose be. In you own mind, you think i deserve it because you think im arrogant. its not arrogance. Its that ive been working with roulette around 22 years now almost every day, and i know a martingale when i see one. And i know why it doesnt work. Its actually your arrogance that made you offended when i merely tried to help you. nobody tells kav he's wrong, is that it? Your motive actually shows in your recent page. But please, keep selling your system, Its way better than advantage play. Just ask any casino. Wow and im the one selling something that doesnt work? Delusion Kav.

Anyway, someone please let me know when this blue angel martingale is coded in rx. Then look out for Kavs next alias. No better than CEH, john legend etc.

[thelaw]

So BA (Kav) got into a heated argument with Reyth, and then stepped in to defend him?

Here is the thread............if this is true, then this is a oscar worthy performance :


***Please note that I tried to provide a link here, but Rouletteforum.cc is blocking any links from Roulette30***

Here is the link from Betselection :

link:://betselection.cc/general-discussion/anybody-think-such-bad-streak-can-be-won/msg43202/#msg43202

..........having said that, BA has 1000 posts to Reyth's 1400, which is pretty prolific.

Not sure what all this does for Kav..........he seems to have plenty of debate on Roulette30, and none of this seems to promote his site.

Here was his last post on Feb 21st :

"You might wonder why the most brilliant members of this forum have got away, let me tell you why;

Those very few but brilliant minds are transmitting in totally different frequency from the average member of this forum.

Unfortunately they got tired and bored from those pointless debates and in combination with lack of motivation is more than sufficient for someone to say goodbye once and for all.

I completely understand and don't blame them.

Instead of contributing recycled garbage on the forum like the "dinosaurs" do, members such as "Slacker", "Janus" and "mrJ" have tried to set new standards by introducing innovative ideas, but eventually have realized that you cannot force someone to be right when he wants to be wrong...

Dinosaurs walking around this forum like zombies who are trying to kill what still stands...
like energy vampires who are draining all the positivity they can get and replacing it with negativity...
like living fossils of history who constantly and recklessly are recycling their rusty and useless mentality.

There are approximately 6 dinosaurs in this forum and they have to be eliminated in order new, fresh and positive ideas take their place.
Only when the "old" will be replaced, its "new" counterpart can grow and prosper!"

............strange