Blue Angel's HG (Fallacious)

[RouletteGhost]

Nickmsi has been kind enough to test for people in the past

Myself included

He has no reason to lie nor will i call him a liar.

I believe him

[Nickmsi]

Hi Steve,

You are correct in that this system was tested on a NZ layout.

I have not tested it thoroughly on SZ.  The green monster generally kills EC bets.

I posted my system which is very similar to Blue Angel's.  The purpose was to show others that this may be a progression that they may want to look into further.

My system is not for sale, nor will I release the RX script to anyone.  I never said it was free, that was Blue Angel.

Again, my point was to show others, that in my opinion, money management and I just don't mean progressions, is the most important aspect of any system.

I am not claiming that my system is a Holy Grail for I know too well, that random has a way of beating you when you least expect it. But I do know that any system that passes a 1,000,000 spins in profit and betting every spin, is a system worth exploring.

Cheers

Nick

[thelaw]

Hi Steve,

You are correct in that this system was tested on a NZ layout.

I have not tested it thoroughly on SZ.  The green monster generally kills EC bets.

I posted my system which is very similar to Blue Angel's.  The purpose was to show others that this may be a progression that they may want to look into further.

My system is not for sale, nor will I release the RX script to anyone.  I never said it was free, that was Blue Angel.

Again, my point was to show others, that in my opinion, money management and I just don't mean progressions, is the most important aspect of any system.

I am not claiming that my system is a Holy Grail for I know too well, that random has a way of beating you when you least expect it. But I do know that any system that passes a 1,000,000 spins in profit and betting every spin, is a system worth exploring.

Cheers

Nick

Hey Nickmsi,

Would it be possible to code Blue Angel's method for 1 million spins as a test, or something comparable to that?

That would definietly move this debate forward.

Either way, I greatly appreciate you presenting your material. Thanks!

[MrJ]

Nickmsi has been kind enough to test for people in the past

Myself included

He has no reason to lie nor will i call him a liar.

I believe him

Nobody is using the word "liar".

Ken

[Steve]

I have not tested it thoroughly on SZ.  The green monster generally kills EC bets.

Ok thanks. Its not the green monster that kills, its unfair payout (house edge).

In this case, then its not a realistic test. If you test with no zero, there is no house edge. The effect is then martingale is more likely to succeed with progression, but it doesnt mean you'd end up with a profit. With no zero, what would happen in the long term is the bankroll would steadily increase until the inevitable losing streak with high progression put you back to square one. So achieving a profit with 1m spins is more plausible, but is not viable in real casinos.

So if you flat bet with no progression, the ups and downs wouldnt be so dramatic.

And if you use a martingale, the ups and downs are more dramatic. On a bankroll trend chart, a martingale shows the drawdowns and recovery. But as Alabalah pointed out, the thing that kills martingale is the inevitable large losses that take all your profits away, plus extra.

Kavs method here (blue angel) is no better than any other martingale, except that its drawdowns are not as dramatic, because the progression only aims to achieve positive profit for each session.

After looking at Kav's systems on amazon, Im assuming his real name may be Angelo Attoni and he's been around selling systems for a while. Or maybe its another fake name.

[Azim]

I am willing to code this for free for you all to test:

Here is how I have understood the system:

Play as many spins as you have to and once in profit the betting units drop to 1.

Process:
Progression is 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, .........  Only goes up every 37 spins.
1) Track first 37 numbers and bet the lowest even chance that has hit. Example Red 20 and Black 15  and 2 Zeros bet on BLACK
2) After betting starts example: spin 38 to 74th spin Black is 20 and Red is 15 and 2 zeros bet on Red after spin 74.
Keep process going and bet on a lower even chance every 37 spins.

If the above is correct, I have a few questions:

If I am at spin 50 and was betting BLACK and I have a positive balance, do I carry on betting with BLACK for the rest of the cycle or do I re-track?

[Blue_Angel]

I am willing to code this for free for you all to test:

Here is how I have understood the system:

Play as many spins as you have to and once in profit the betting units drop to 1.

Process:
Progression is 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, .........  Only goes up every 37 spins.
1) Track first 37 numbers and bet the lowest even chance that has hit. Example Red 20 and Black 15  and 2 Zeros bet on BLACK
2) After betting starts example: spin 38 to 74th spin Black is 20 and Red is 15 and 2 zeros bet on Red after spin 74.
Keep process going and bet on a lower even chance every 37 spins.

If the above is correct, I have a few questions:

If I am at spin 50 and was betting BLACK and I have a positive balance, do I carry on betting with BLACK for the rest of the cycle or do I re-track?

Hi Azim, thanks for your kind offer, really appreciated.

After waiting for the first 37 spins only on the beginning of each session, then you don't wait,you just bet every spin till the end of the session.
A session ends when the player is satisfied with the profit, there no standard spins to play or units to win.

You must set the counter for ALL 6 EC's to non stop recording from the beginning of each session till the end.

Every time there is another least shown EC you change to that one regardless of how many units the bet is, selection and progression are 2 different things!

Every time there are 2 or 3 EC's with the same hits, select the one which is missing for more spins (older), if after applying the second criteria there is tie between 2 or 3 EC's, then choose the one which its opposite EC has appeared most recently.

Whenever the balance reaches a new high you are resetting the betting amount to 1 unit regardless of which EC you are betting at that time.

So the answer to your question is yes, you carry on with your selection as long it remains least appeared.
You track without betting ONLY the first 37 spins of each session.

I'll be on your disposal if you need further clarification.

Angelo

[RouletteGhost]

i think after +1 restart

[Azim]

Check the attachment to get the complete picture of my method in action.

I answered my own question from the above post.

However, Can BLUE_ANGEL answer this:

Why does your betting start after 39 spins and not 37 spins in the file you have provided with the above quote?

Why does profit increase at row 171 when  '00' has hit the count jumps from 3 to 5 instead of going down 3 to 1?

[thelaw]

Steve,

Has Blue Angel been banned from posting on this forum? He is claiming that his account has been restricted here.....

Thanks!

[thelaw]

From BA on Betselection :

"Hey guys, can anyone copy the following and post it to the Steve's forum because he restricted my account.
Anyone??

''Hi Azim, thanks for your kind offer, really appreciated.

After waiting for the first 37 spins only on the beginning of each session, then you don't wait,you just bet every spin till the end of the session.
A session ends when the player is satisfied with the profit, there no standard spins to play or units to win.

You must set the counter for ALL 6 EC's to non stop recording from the beginning of each session till the end.

Every time there is another least shown EC you change to that one regardless of how many units the bet is, selection and progression are 2 different things!

Every time there are 2 or 3 EC's with the same hits, select the one which is missing for more spins (older), if after applying the second criteria there is tie between 2 or 3 EC's, then choose the one which its opposite EC has appeared most recently.

Whenever the balance reaches a new high you are resetting the betting amount to 1 unit regardless of which EC you are betting at that time.

So the answer to your question is yes, you carry on with your selection as long it remains least appeared.
You track without betting ONLY the first 37 spins of each session.

I'll be on your disposal if you need further clarification.

Angelo''

[Steve]

NO he has not been banned. He is only on a moderated list, meaning anything he posts must be approved by a moderator first. He's already shown willingness to post spiteful and personal junk.

[thelaw]

NO he has not been banned. He is only on a moderated list, meaning anything he posts must be approved by a moderator first. He's already shown willingness to post spiteful and personal junk.

K - Thanks!

[The General]

Ok so it worked. 1 million bets and you won

The man who registered to troll assumed you went in and out and didnt bet everytime

Nick. This is all the proof i need. Money management and progression does work

Rouletteghost,

I'm not here to troll Blue Angel.  I'm simply sharing the facts.
Blue Angel's system is a failure.  It fails for the same reason that the Martingale fails.  There's no reason to test it.  The data was curve fit, and the results are fraudulent.  Nobody will be able to duplicate the results.


Money management and a progression doesn't enable the player to get the edge over the casino.
Regardless of how the player manages his bets, and regardless of the progression that he uses, the house edge will eventually consume the gambler's bankroll over time. 

This isn't something that you can even debate.  If you disagree, then fine...  but my advice to you is to keep your bets low until you gain more experience.  Please don't feel as though you should prove me wrong by going out and risking real money on such a risky scheme.  Stick with pen and paper until you learn more about the game.



-The General

[Steve]

1 player using martingale for FOUR spins betting 1,2,4,8 units.

=

Four players making the bets:

   Player 1: 1 unit
   Player 2: 2 units
   Player 3: 4 units
   Player 4: 8 units



Its all the same. The odds wont change for the first player, or the four other players. The payouts wont change either. So what does the martingale change?.. just the amount you risk.