Blue Angel's HG (Fallacious)

[Steve]

ill try and simplify things:

* if anyone believes the martingale is the hg, go make millions. Put everyone else to shame.

* If you dont understand the difference between odds and payouts, learn the difference.

If you think any one of the following is true for proper rng, show me any conclusive proof of concept, and i promise ill pay you $100k and close every roulette site i have

* Betting hot or cold numbers changes odds

* Progression or changing bet size changes odds

* Any particular sequence of spins changes the odds of future spins

* winning in short term changes the odds of those spins

* you have a better chance of winning with progression

* you can consistently beat roulette without changing the odds, aka increasing the accuracy of predictions (most important)

Please, on any of the forums, this is an open challenge. Im calling everyone out here. The alabalahs, the kavs, and whoever. Please, make an idiot of me. Instead of calling me names and accusing me of trying to hide winning systems, make a total ass out of me. If you cant, then shut up.

I swear on my life this is an honest challenge. Not just because im sure im right, but also because it would mean the HG exists, and i would earn more than $100k from it.


Clarifying issues:

* Odds are the chances of winning.

* Payouts are amount you are paid on wins

* If you havent changed the odds, every spin is independent and progression like the martingale are nothing but different size bets on different spins, each with the same odds.

* With different sized bets like positive progression (increasing bet after losses) the payouts are different for wins, but the amount you risk losing are proportionally greater too.

* Without a method of bet selection that changes the odds, no money management can help you win. I mean it wont help at all. Zilch. All money management does is change amount you risk.


Personal facts:

* My explanations of these basic facts have sweet FA (nothing) to do with anything i sell.

* Im an honest person with nothing to hide. I say it exactly as it is. I would be ashamed to hide anything. Its not who i am. It is pathetic to have to lie. If i ever felt the need to lie, it would mean something about my life needs to change. I am comfortable with who i am and have no problem looking in the mirror. If anyone doesnt believe it, whoopie for them.

* Most people earn around $150/day for 8 hours work, then after tax are left with around $100. You do it almost every day for about 45 years. After living expenses, saving or accumulating wealth on such a wage is nearly impossible. And when you retire at 65, if youre lucky you own your own a small house and have a small retirement fund. And you will have spent your whole life working, not living. I chose roulette because it does better than the pathetic other option. But it doesnt work everywhere and is not always easy.

* My primary focus with roulette is using my techology, not selling it. But i have multiple businesses too that have nothing to do with roulette. i live comfortably and do not need to lie to sell anything.

* Anyone can easily find the truth about my computers, including a free trial, personal demo, public demo, live webcam demo etc. It can be on any wheel. You can even record spins from a casino and ill test on it. Its not like i could cheat because i would have never even seen the wheel before.

* If you think my trying to explain why the martingale fails is a plot to sell something, or if you think i hate systems like the kavouras bet or BAs hg, you are deluded.

* Almost everyone who attacks me is a system seller. Even the very few who arent sellers have a personal vendetta for reasons like they were banned for spamming, they had an argument with me about the martingale etc.

* Anyone who attacks me tends to use rubbish spread by others also who have vendetta. And thry dont give a crap about the accuracy of their claims. Accuracy is not their goal. It is to discredit, with prejudice, and without integrity. To anyone who does proper research, the truth is clear and they see im honest. And they see the manipulation and lack of integrity of my attackers.

* If youre one of the people who think roulette computer players are dishonest cheats, consider i personally dont cheat, by the legal definition. You can have your 9-5 slavery. We wont judge you for that. But im guessing we live more comfortable lives than you, only at the expense of casinos that take billions from people and families trying to make more money to survive. Boo hoo for the casinos and billionaires.


Roulette computer facts:

* To a layman, its cheating. The fact is in around half casinos, its legal and not cheating by legal definition. But casinos can still ban users if caught. But they will ban ANY consistent winner as a last resort.

* Banning is comparatively rare. In most cases, if computer players are suspected, the casino simply calls no more bets earlier until the player loses or leaves.

* Computers can easily win millions in a day. Even other AP methods can. It has been done. But it kicks a hornets nest, like it did with the ritz team.

* I sell computers ranging between $2000 - $80,000. The differences are huge, but mainly its because better versions beat a much broader range of wheels, are more covert so you win more without detection, easier to use, more accurate, quicker to use, and get earlier predictions. Theres a comparison page on my site.

* My claim of 93% win rate with 15 numbers is not the biggest joke, like alabalah said. He just never saw the video of my publuc demo where i show it. Really its simple if you pay attention: link:://youtu.be/PUqjvSvEnX8

so alabalah, what or whos the biggest joke?

* The video above shows an edge of 120%. The casinos edge is just -2.7%. So with the computer, using basic settings, thats an edge around 40 times greater than the casinos. Do the math.


Visual ballistics facts:

* To someone who doesnt know anything about it, vb and predicting with eyesight is impossible. Actually it is very easy for anyone with reasonable eyesight, the right wheel, and a brain.

General facts

* Almost evet new player begins with the martingale and same approaches. And they do not understand why they fail, until later when they become more experienced. Even i was no different.

* Inexperienced players think the experienced players are arrogant by saying things like you need to increase accuracy of predictions. The inexperienced players really have no idea.

* There are many experienced players on the forums who offer mostly accurate advice. Some people learn. But the majority dont listen or learn, and they dont understand the core facts of roulette. So all their systems are fundamentally the same., and they are unable to revognize a losing system when they see it. Take BAs system. An experienced player knows its just betting cold numbers with martingale. Tested a billion times before.

For those that think the kavouras bets, the BA systems or whatever work, just find out for yourself. But i hope you learn from it. When you understand core facts, you will see the delusion you had before. Im not the only one here trying to help, but then you may also better understand i dont give a shit if you dont buy my products. I really am just trying to help.

[keepontryin]

speed..... first of all congrats on your amazing testing...could you please explain if you played each cycle to completion regardless of plus or minus balance ......or did you begin a new cycle as soon as your balance was back at its NEW high............?

[Steve]

I forgot to add one thing:

* Most people will probably have no idea what ive just explained, and will stay on the same path for years, Woosh, over the head.

[Azim]

First you say you can't load the 2 millions results and below the totals of all EC's plus zero are summing up to 870 k, how come??

Excel file provides pseudo-RNG results which means that in large totals it's repeating the same results more than normal.
If there was RX code we could test it with spins from B&M casinos which can make a big difference in large totals.

Everyone is free to believe what he wants...

I guess shows how you know your system works.

RED + BLACK + GREEN = 300000
ODD + EVEN + GREEN = 300000
HIGH + LOW + GREEN = 300000

[Turner]

speed..... first of all congrats on your amazing testing...could you please explain if you played each cycle to completion regardless of plus or minus balance ......or did you begin a new cycle as soon as your balance was back at its NEW high............?

I know speed quite well. I am pretty certain he was being sarcastic lol

[MrJ]

Playing a Marty is the BEGINNING of class. Everything past that gets a bit easier. Before a Marty is what? Nothing.

Ken

I think this is a good question of mine. Before a person gets interested in playing a Marty (a big no no) what betting scheme is before that? I cant think of one. Maybe progressions then a Marty? Me personally, I rocked the Marty (dropped that) then did progressions for a good FIVE years, dropped that as well.......


Ken

[thelaw]

This idea that someone must "pay their dues" with Roulette is absolutely ridiculous, and is generally expounded by those who don't have an actual working system.

Take Sports Betting as an example : can you imagine if every handicapper said "you need to learn the game, before actually placing any bets"...........ludicrous

So why don't we hear that.............because they actually have a way to beat the spread, and then further profit from this by selling their picks to others. Crazy how this simple fact gets lost in all the BS..........not to mention that great handicappers don't hang around on forums criticizing other players. You know why?.........because they're out making money..........not looking for attention.

So Steve sets up something similar with his devices...........sounds reasonable to me!!!

As for everyone else...............including mods.............you have no system. If you did, you would be long gone by now, or using this forum to your advantage, by cutting deals with other player for a slice of the pie.

But.....hey.......maybe i'm wrong. So feel free to shut me up by providing some proof!!! 

[MrJ]

I think my above question is very legit and still not answered. It also has no tones of arguing, its only a question sir, calm down.

On the other hand, I dont hide my opinion, yes I do think you have to pay your dues, I had to. Why should others JUMP AHEAD IN THE LINE !?!?!?!?!?

Lose for years and years, then we'll talk like adults. I can do analogies all damn day long. Should a guy just getting out of culinary school be treated like the top dog working in a French restaurant?

Hell no, let the new guy put his time in....YEARS!

My opinion is very strong on this, it won't change regardless the number of posts attacking me, I dont care, my opinion stands.

Ken

[thelaw]

MrJ,

You claim to have a winning method, I claim that it doesn't exist.

We both have equal amounts of proof for our statements.

Everything else is just "philosophy" about how to approach the game. Perhaps this is of interest to hobbyists, but for those who want to simply beat the game, it is worthless.

It appears that we will have to agree to disagree.

Best of luck to you!

[MrJ]

Its all in the wording of the post. I said I do quite well, not sure if thats the same thing as a WINNING METHOD? Also, its methods, not method. I have AT LEAST 3 that do quite well and I never use that goofy term, holy grail. It just sounds strange. You are correct...NOT ONE PERSON HERE HAS PROOF!!!

Thats a fact. Not talking about chart proof, I'm talking about NET casino results proof.

Ken

[thelaw]

Its all in the wording of the post. I said I do quite well, not sure if thats the same thing as a WINNING METHOD? Also, its methods, not method. I have AT LEAST 3 that do quite well and I never use that goofy term, holy grail. It just sounds strange. You are correct...NOT ONE PERSON HERE HAS PROOF!!!

Thats a fact. Not talking about chart proof, I'm talking about NET casino results proof.

Ken

Wow!!!........I'm speechless.........

When Reyth re-framed "test" with "experiment", I was surprised...........but switching out "winning" with "quite well"........now that's incredible.

So now I wonder if I've been chasing your method(s) that simply loses less, as opposed to actually showing a profit.

You're right Ken, I clearly have a great deal to learn...........I had no idea there was so much grey area between profit and loss......

Now everything is becoming clear.............thanks for enlightening me Ken........much appreciated, and best of luck to you!!!

[MrJ]

"but switching out "winning" with "quite well" >> In order for me to switch, I would of had to use the term WINNING (winning method) prior, correct? So the term "switch, switching" is on whose part?
Not mine. Oh, oh here we go. Let the post checking, all the way back ten years ago begin (rofl). I wish I had that kind of free time.

Ken

[MrJ]

Still waiting....what type of betting plan is there before using a progression/Marty? So lets pretend there is nothing (generally speaking) prior to this. By definition, would that not mean, such-n-such person is starting off his roulette career at the *BEGINNING* of what does NOT work? Not to mention the many years ahead of what will also not work?

Ken

[keepontryin]

I know speed quite well. I am pretty certain he was being sarcastic lol

.....thanks turner for the heads up......i was being sarcastic also LOL

[Blue_Angel]

I'd like to clarify a few things, first is that I'm speaking for myself, not representing Kavouras neither anybody else. Kapis?
Two persons with Greek IP's don't prove that are the same person.

Second, I like your challenge mr Hourmouzis and I want to make a deal with you;

I'm putting MY money where my mouth is and counter challenge you to be witness in my brick and mortar casino sessions!
I'm going to win at least 30 units per session, playing 6 or 7 days per week for a month.

If you think a month is little time we could make it 2 months with at least 6 days per week, during this time I'll not lose my bankroll but over-double it.

Since I'll use my money and you believe I've a losing method, you have nothing to afraid!
But if I do what I claim you have to hand me 100,000 Euros in cash, not bank transfer.
An agreement between gentlements must be respected by both sides and well defined in documentation because I don't wish to school you for free if you get my drift.

Since I'm living at Greece the place should be one of the two Athenian casinos, however I've no problem to travel at any casino you want as long as you cover the non gambling expenses.

Fair enough? Or do you prefer to hide behind RNG simulations and posts in forums?!
I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is if you do the same!
So now it's your call, what it will be??