Blue Angel's HG (Fallacious)

[Azim]

@ Azim,

Everything I said is true, the Wiesbaden casino files are available online for EVERYONE to check.

I don't know about you but I don't consider you as enemies, why such hostile reception??

And sorry but you came second about the coding, if you've offered me yesterday I'd say yes but thanks to user Nick I've found a programmer to RX code it, actually Nick gave me good reference about the said person.

Anyway, thanks for your offer Azim.

You should have known or found out more about me instead of calling me cheap and accusing me of getting money from Steve.

[Azim]

ill try and simplify things:

* if anyone believes the martingale is the hg, go make millions. Put everyone else to shame.

* If you dont understand the difference between odds and payouts, learn the difference.

If you think any one of the following is true for proper rng, show me any conclusive proof of concept, and i promise ill pay you $100k and close every roulette site i have

* Betting hot or cold numbers changes odds

* Progression or changing bet size changes odds

* Any particular sequence of spins changes the odds of future spins

* winning in short term changes the odds of those spins

* you have a better chance of winning with progression

* you can consistently beat roulette without changing the odds, aka increasing the accuracy of predictions (most important)

Please, on any of the forums, this is an open challenge. Im calling everyone out here. The alabalahs, the kavs, and whoever. Please, make an idiot of me. Instead of calling me names and accusing me of trying to hide winning systems, make a total ass out of me. If you cant, then shut up.

I swear on my life this is an honest challenge. Not just because im sure im right, but also because it would mean the HG exists, and i would earn more than $100k from it.


Clarifying issues:

* Odds are the chances of winning.

* Payouts are amount you are paid on wins

* If you havent changed the odds, every spin is independent and progression like the martingale are nothing but different size bets on different spins, each with the same odds.

* With different sized bets like positive progression (increasing bet after losses) the payouts are different for wins, but the amount you risk losing are proportionally greater too.

* Without a method of bet selection that changes the odds, no money management can help you win. I mean it wont help at all. Zilch. All money management does is change amount you risk.


Personal facts:

* My explanations of these basic facts have sweet FA (nothing) to do with anything i sell.

* Im an honest person with nothing to hide. I say it exactly as it is. I would be ashamed to hide anything. Its not who i am. It is pathetic to have to lie. If i ever felt the need to lie, it would mean something about my life needs to change. I am comfortable with who i am and have no problem looking in the mirror. If anyone doesnt believe it, whoopie for them.

* Most people earn around $150/day for 8 hours work, then after tax are left with around $100. You do it almost every day for about 45 years. After living expenses, saving or accumulating wealth on such a wage is nearly impossible. And when you retire at 65, if youre lucky you own your own a small house and have a small retirement fund. And you will have spent your whole life working, not living. I chose roulette because it does better than the pathetic other option. But it doesnt work everywhere and is not always easy.

* My primary focus with roulette is using my techology, not selling it. But i have multiple businesses too that have nothing to do with roulette. i live comfortably and do not need to lie to sell anything.

* Anyone can easily find the truth about my computers, including a free trial, personal demo, public demo, live webcam demo etc. It can be on any wheel. You can even record spins from a casino and ill test on it. Its not like i could cheat because i would have never even seen the wheel before.

* If you think my trying to explain why the martingale fails is a plot to sell something, or if you think i hate systems like the kavouras bet or BAs hg, you are deluded.

* Almost everyone who attacks me is a system seller. Even the very few who arent sellers have a personal vendetta for reasons like they were banned for spamming, they had an argument with me about the martingale etc.

* Anyone who attacks me tends to use rubbish spread by others also who have vendetta. And thry dont give a crap about the accuracy of their claims. Accuracy is not their goal. It is to discredit, with prejudice, and without integrity. To anyone who does proper research, the truth is clear and they see im honest. And they see the manipulation and lack of integrity of my attackers.

* If youre one of the people who think roulette computer players are dishonest cheats, consider i personally dont cheat, by the legal definition. You can have your 9-5 slavery. We wont judge you for that. But im guessing we live more comfortable lives than you, only at the expense of casinos that take billions from people and families trying to make more money to survive. Boo hoo for the casinos and billionaires.


Roulette computer facts:

* To a layman, its cheating. The fact is in around half casinos, its legal and not cheating by legal definition. But casinos can still ban users if caught. But they will ban ANY consistent winner as a last resort.

* Banning is comparatively rare. In most cases, if computer players are suspected, the casino simply calls no more bets earlier until the player loses or leaves.

* Computers can easily win millions in a day. Even other AP methods can. It has been done. But it kicks a hornets nest, like it did with the ritz team.

* I sell computers ranging between $2000 - $80,000. The differences are huge, but mainly its because better versions beat a much broader range of wheels, are more covert so you win more without detection, easier to use, more accurate, quicker to use, and get earlier predictions. Theres a comparison page on my site.

* My claim of 93% win rate with 15 numbers is not the biggest joke, like alabalah said. He just never saw the video of my publuc demo where i show it. Really its simple if you pay attention: link:://youtu.be/PUqjvSvEnX8

so alabalah, what or whos the biggest joke?

* The video above shows an edge of 120%. The casinos edge is just -2.7%. So with the computer, using basic settings, thats an edge around 40 times greater than the casinos. Do the math.


Visual ballistics facts:

* To someone who doesnt know anything about it, vb and predicting with eyesight is impossible. Actually it is very easy for anyone with reasonable eyesight, the right wheel, and a brain.

General facts

* Almost evet new player begins with the martingale and same approaches. And they do not understand why they fail, until later when they become more experienced. Even i was no different.

* Inexperienced players think the experienced players are arrogant by saying things like you need to increase accuracy of predictions. The inexperienced players really have no idea.

* There are many experienced players on the forums who offer mostly accurate advice. Some people learn. But the majority dont listen or learn, and they dont understand the core facts of roulette. So all their systems are fundamentally the same., and they are unable to revognize a losing system when they see it. Take BAs system. An experienced player knows its just betting cold numbers with martingale. Tested a billion times before.

For those that think the kavouras bets, the BA systems or whatever work, just find out for yourself. But i hope you learn from it. When you understand core facts, you will see the delusion you had before. Im not the only one here trying to help, but then you may also better understand i dont give a shit if you dont buy my products. I really am just trying to help.

I can vouch on this. I don't think anyone here has supressed a winning system.
I think, people are just lazy or as Winkel said they want it on a platter.

I can personally say I have already shown 1 strategy for all to use. There are many more that have fallen down the cracks.

That's one of the reasons I can't stay away from here.

[Steve]

Azim you know of a system that beats rng, I'm all ears.

Kav I'll respond to your misconceptions in detail soon, but a martingale can survive any losing run if the table limits allow it. Even Alabalah understands this. Like most martingales, your system has enormous risks for a little bit of profit.

[Azim]

Azim you know of a system that beats rng, I'm all ears.

Kav I'll respond to your misconceptions in detail soon, but a martingale can survive any losing run if the table limits allow it. Even Alabalah understands this. Like most martingales, your system has enormous risks for a little bit of profit.

Steve, I have beaten RNG.  It's all over the forum. However, I try and not discuss it. I let the original posters know once I have played with their systems.

I tell them the changes I have made and it's up to them to reveal it or not. Not my place to reveal.

I have also warned people to be careful.

This one I proposed to help test for the reason it being marty.

I am actually changing the code in my current app for testing this. I will be putting it up but not the code. It will have to be registered and can only be used for 7 days.

If anyone can produce a 1m file that beats this. I want to know the source of the file and be able to repeat the process in getting that file with the same numbers.

[Steve]

Azim try the 2m spins from :.roulettetraining.com

[Azim]

I have a 2m file or larger and I can re-create it whenever i want it will have the same numbers every time.
Source is random.org
Do you want me to use that?

The file on the link only has 1m

[Steve]

If it's the same numbers then it isn't random.

[Azim]

If it's the same numbers then it isn't random.

Here is the file as promised.

It will create a result.txt file. Open that file in notepad with the font set as "Lucidia console bold."

Blue Angel,

You can load a small file and verify the logic.

[Steve]

BA, i don really care if you are Kav or not, but there are numerous reasons why i have little doubt. Your ips being not just in greece, but all the same region of greece too. There more but lets not get distracted.

Regarding your proposal, doubling your bankroll is not proof of a winning system. In fact virtually any progression system can double the bankroll in the short term. The problem is when the inevitable losing streak occurs, you lose it all and more. A progression system can quite easily show profit over tens of thousands of spins with some luck, by winning on the right spins for maximum profit. I explained how it works in a previous post.

Another problem with your proposal is there is no way i could sit and watch you play a martingale, all to prove to you the martingale loses. I have better things to do really, even if it was practical. You know its not practical at all, so really your proposal is absurd, as is your expectation that anyone would take it seriously.

There is no escaping this with the martingale. Loss is inevitable unless you increase your odds of winning, and betting on sleepers doesnt work. You still dont undestand it. You still think i need to know your kavoras bet money management to properly assess it. The bet selection is all i need to know. Any professional can tell you.

Also any martingale could theoretically win billions if you had unlimited bankroll and no table betting limit. But be realistic. There is a betting limit, so theoretical approaches arent enough.

Or do you prefer to hide behind RNG simulations and posts in forums?!
I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is if you do the same!
So now it's your call, what it will be??

Are you serously saying that doubling your bankroll in maybe 2000 spins compares to testing millions of spins? And you say im the one hiding? any system can win in the short term, which is obviously why you prefere a short term test. I mean 30 units day in even 2 months is maybe around 2000 spins. in so few spins you can even double bankroll betting black with some luck over so few spins. Practically any of the progression systems that come free with rx can do the same, so why arent they making millions?

Kav, im all for a challenge, but if im going to front $100k youll need to better than that. So heres what i propose:

1. we get the system properly coded in rx, and test millions of spins. anyone else can test too. someone please give a price quote for the coding.
2. if you see the maximum bets needed to profit are clearly outside typical table limits, then clearly your martingale is no better than any other. That means you lost the challenge. ie $5 min and $250 max bet is typical.

i could have a martingale betting red and doubling after a loss, and it would be no different to your system except it either tanks or wins quicker, depending on luck and the spins. you need to understand martingale relies entirely on maximum bet and available bankroll.

3. we run simlar tests with the kavouras bet. This will give you another chance, althought you already say on your site the most it beats is 20,000 spins, with some luck. So you already know it doesnt work. But you have the audacity to claim my computers are a scam and overpriced, when you can plainly see them get a 120% edge in the public demo - just one of many ive conducted. Know what it means Kav? It means youre a liar. You have no integrity. You just dont like me for telling you why your systems lose, and for removing your spam. So you publish absolute bullshit as revenge. You know i also have people i dont like, but i never lie about them and still give them credit where due.

4. you then apologize publicly and remove your rubbish about me on your site. if you really arent kav, then you agree to follow a process so you can prove it. you may think its not possible without kavs assistance, assuming you arent him, but i have a simple way.

There may be some details to work out, but basically im saying you can apologize to me when you see im right. And if wrong, sincerely ill pay you $100k aud, give a public apology and ill close every roulette site i have.

[Steve]

And kav, consider this:

The kavouras bet is just scattered chips, which you say is "ingeniuosly chaotic" to cover lots of areas of the wheel, supposedly so the dealer cannot avoid your bets. Uh, why not just bet red or black?

But anyway, surely even youd acknowledge your bets dont change the odds. Whether just you, or 10 people placed the bets, wouldnt make a difference. So clearly, flat bets gives you no edge all, and you claim the money management is the magic.

Well my computers can get a 120% edge, with flat bets.

So just imagine if we combined your apparently magic money management with my useless overpriced computers that get a 120% edge... instead of using your kavouras bet which anyone would know doesnt change the odds at all. Wouldnt that be a tad bit better than your self proclaimed famous bet?

Kav if you are going to argue against truth, you will lose. And if you persist in lying about me, its not going to end well for you.

Remember how it started. I just removed your spam like i would remove any spam. And i tried to explain why your approach wont work. You took it very personally. Thats your shortcoming, not mine. Any man with interity would accept truth and learn, not attack the person trying to educate and help them.

[MrG]

There are some cases where you have a tie between 2 EC's and also both of them have appeared on the last spin/result, in this case bet the opposite EC from the one which have more hits and its last appearance was more recent.

So, in the case described above I'm looking among all those 6 ECs for EC that has most hits and bet its opposite. If there are 2 ECs with most hits, then between these 2 ECs I'm looking for the EC whose appearance was more recent and bet its opposite, right? But what to do in a case when I have 2 ECs with most hits and both of them hit in the last spin?

[Azim]

So, in the case described above I'm looking among all those 6 ECs for EC that has most hits and bet its opposite. If there are 2 ECs with most hits, then between these 2 ECs I'm looking for the EC whose appearance was more recent and bet its opposite, right? But what to do in a case when I have 2 ECs with most hits and both of them hit in the last spin?

No that's not what I was told.

take the 6 even chances..  Keep a running total of the session. Doesn't matter how long the session is...

so spin 1 3 even chances are at 1 and the other 3 are at zero..

keep adding the even chance till spin 37

After spin 37 now find the lowest count  if 2 even chances produce the same lowest count  pick the one that has slept the most.
Keep the tally going so if at spin 37 RED was lowest  bet RED  if at spin 40 Even is low now bet even.

Betting is 1 unit for the start and any reset to 1 after a new high.
Progression goes up only after the 37 cycle.
If in between 37 spin cycle you reach a new high  you drop to 1 unit and carry on the same cycle.

so if you are betting 4 units and third spin of that cycle you bet 33 more spins with 1 unit and increase bet at the end of that cycle.

[Azim]

I guess here is the situation in question.

Blue Angel can answer where will the bet be placed?

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Red  ->     33 LastHit ->      63
Black->     27 LastHit ->      64
Even ->     33 LastHit ->      63
Odd  ->     27 LastHit ->      64
High ->     32 LastHit ->      64
Low  ->     28 LastHit ->      58

[Azim]

IF you going to answer can you answer this too:

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Red ->     460 LastHit ->     951
Black ->   464 LastHit ->     950
Even ->    464 LastHit ->     949
Odd ->     460 LastHit ->     951
High ->    464 LastHit ->     950
Low ->     460 LastHit ->     951

[Blue_Angel]

I guess here is the situation in question.

Blue Angel can answer where will the bet be placed?

Code Select Expand

Red  ->     33 LastHit ->      63
Black->     27 LastHit ->      64
Even ->     33 LastHit ->      63
Odd  ->     27 LastHit ->      64
High ->     32 LastHit ->      64
Low  ->     28 LastHit ->      58

I'd select one between Black and Odd, there's nothing to separate them so chose one of the two randomly.