1-4 numbers with MM.

[celescliff]

Thanks alot, law! 

[JimmieB]

@ celescliff & thelaw...

Good work guys, apologies if this been explained already as I see there have been some tweaks since the original posts. Are both you guys playing the same way i.e quitting when 3 of the 4 BR close, and/or, only playing the 36 spins per number?

EDIT: just read back on the thread got it all now - no set rules per say, up to the individual how they want to play it based on the initial "rules"

[celescliff]

@ celescliff & thelaw...

Good work guys, apologies if this been explained already as I see there have been some tweaks since the original posts. Are both you guys playing the same way i.e quitting when 3 of the 4 BR close, and/or, only playing the 36 spins per number?

EDIT: just read back on the thread got it all now - no set rules per say, up to the individual how they want to play it based on the initial "rules"

You got it. 

[mogul397]

Rough idea.....


zumma page 255. Opened book at random............
Looking for 3rd repeat within 36 spins.

Double                   Result (num of spins till hit 3rd time)
31                         Loss
21                         Loss
27                         12
35                         8
1                           33
20                         Loss.

I presume that maybe the rules say if you hit a loss right away, you quit.

Of course you would be chasing 3-4 other banks while waiting for the loss,
and not recouping losses with the wins.

I guess zumma wrote the book to generate losses for this.

Next page please?

[amk]

Awesome stuff Celescliff!

Roughly how many total flat bets have you placed so far during your 26 sessions?

[celescliff]

Awesome stuff Celescliff!

Roughly how many total flat bets have you placed so far during your 26 sessions?

Thanks, amk.

Sorry, I haven't kept count on that. All the sessions have never been over 50 spins, most have been around 30-40 spins and the repeaters have often come within the first 10-15 spins. The total amount of spins have been around 700 minus 10 spins per session so around 500 flat bets have been made, I would roughly guess, but I'm not sure.

[Foolwise]

Very nice idea Celesclif. I am really chuffed to see the results. I also randomly took a set of numbers from Zumma and started playing this. Following is the set of numbers. Do you mind checking if this is how you will play this. Probably I just got unlucky at the first go or I am not getting the way it should be played.

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20
17
30
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14
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25
12
3
22 * BR1 open: 50 u 22
8
14 * BR2 open: 50 u 14
30 * BR3 open: 50 u 30
26
5
32
26 * BR4 open: 50 u 26
21
12
36
11
1
37
28
36
24
27
32
27
11
5
25
22 w BR1 close: 63 u
4
11
34
25
27
25
0
21
22
33
19
32
3
14 w BR2 close: 51 u
7
33 l BR3 close: 14 u BR4 close: 18 u


[celescliff]

Very nice idea Celesclif. I am really chuffed to see the results. I also randomly took a set of numbers from Zumma and started playing this. Following is the set of numbers. Do you mind checking if this is how you will play this. Probably I just got unlucky at the first go or I am not getting the way it should be played.

No, you got it right. The only thing I would have done different is close the remaining BR when you got a win on BR2, leaving with 16 and 20. So -50 in that session.

You will have sessions that don't get profit. During my sessions I've had three, some others that plays this have had similar results as mine and some have had two losses in a row but not three. Not saying it wont happen, but the losses often don't come clustered.

Your session is an example what this is all about, control the BR and know when to quit, which is the point in this. It's been a lot easier to quit and start fresh than going further down and maybe loose it all in one sit, using this MM.

Thank you for testing, Foolwise, and hope to see more sessions from you. But hopefully ones that shows profit.

[Foolwise]

Thanks and I will follow your advice on that closing bankroll. I was trying to run through the zumma books and it really took me for a bite. Afterall, I can now see why Mogul says its not working for him on the Zumma. May be I should try spins from somewhere else.

The zumma 15000 started like this and it is very volatile. May be I should try spins from somewhere else 

Session 1  +9u
Session 2  +15u
Session 3 -50u
Session 4 +3u
Session 5 +21u
Session 6 -112u
Session 7 -34u

[roulettefan]

@Foowise

thank you as you are an independant tester
a good system mut work the same almost on every kind od real spin

i think that your test is close to the reality
and per haps celescliff have been lucky too mutch

but let s continue your test we follow you Foolwise
and thank you again celescliff for your system

[celescliff]

Thanks and I will follow your advice on that closing bankroll. I was trying to run through the zumma books and it really took me for a bite. Afterall, I can now see why Mogul says its not working for him on the Zumma. May be I should try spins from somewhere else.

The zumma 15000 started like this and it is very volatile. May be I should try spins from somewhere else 

Session 1  +9u
Session 2  +15u
Session 3 -50u
Session 4 +3u
Session 5 +21u
Session 6 -112u
Session 7 -34u

@Foowise

thank you as you are an independant tester
a good system mut work the same almost on every kind od real spin

i think that your test is close to the reality
and per haps celescliff have been lucky too mutch

but let s continue your test we follow you Foolwise
and thank you again celescliff for your system

Thanks guys.

I agree with roulettefan that it must work on every kind of real spins. Then again, the people that has shared their results and experience with this to me has not resemble the results you're having, Foowise, so it's not just me that has been lucky. I myself play online with live dealer, real money and some has played this at B&M casino, with similar results as mine. Even RNG has been tested with this. None has had -112u. I don't have the zumma myself so I can't look at it.

I must say though, that this can work with other bet selections aswell, it's the BR control that's the core in this.

Let's see how it goes and thank you guys again. 

[thelaw]

Might be worth it to lay out all of the rules explicitly in an updated post.

I've seen this discrepancy happen with too many methods where someone is deviating from the system, and getting skewed results.

This is where static methods always have an advantage over "choose your own adventure" systems!!!

[nottophammer]

 Hi celescliff
Bit of RNG on FOBT for you.

[icashbot]

just tried this manually  and was +88 after 51 spins

this will be a killer      method to use on a bot where you can add bank roll ....set win/loss and just let it play

having 3 bots running at the same time on one Game one bot to recognise black numbers one for red numbers
and one  for green zero only


each bot will have its own lite or mild progression based on one number.

basically one game 3 bots following 3 numbers individually




ALOT of  results and testing will be needed before going via bot
programme using Live roulette is the hard and expensive bit.

[Foolwise]

This was the sequence.

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21
11
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12 *
22
10 *
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9
0
32
27
9
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11
4
26
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