KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[Celticknits]

Celtic - as twocat would put it hear me now and listen to me later. It doesnt matter. Whether you get 37 from same source or you jump from willhill to ladbrokes to paddy getting one spin each from nottos machine of death, it is the same.. End of the day.. it is RANDOM

-Priyanka

Thank you for that clarification.

-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

I think its a moot point that its random

If it works it works

10 spins here or there. 1 here 1 there. Doesnt matter if it works

[Celticknits]

-Curiosone

As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.

Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.

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         CURIOSONE   14APR16
             (NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 35
3 6
4 5
5 16
6 36
7 14
8 30
9 32
10 25
11 34
12 29
13 33
14 15
15 5 R
16 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 23 14 2 28 -28 -42
18 10 14 3 42 -42 -84
19 20 14 4 56 -56 -140
20 27 14 5 70 -70 -210
21 19 -210
22 2 -210
23 24 -210
24 31 -210
25 13 -210
26 4 R -210
27 6 R 23 6 138 216 78 -132
28 16 R 22 5 110 180 70 -62          ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29 28 R 21 4 84 144 60 -2
30 19 R 20 3 60 108 48 46                --- QUIT
31 1 19 1 19 -19 27
32 7 19 2 38 -38 -11
33 24 R 19 3 57 108 51 40
34 28 18 2 36 -36 4
35 3 18 3 54 -54 -50
36 36 R 18 4 72 144 72 22
37 16 17 3 51 -51 -29
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[Turner]

-Curiosone

As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.

Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.

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         CURIOSONE   14APR16
             (NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 35
3 6
4 5
5 16
6 36
7 14
8 30
9 32
10 25
11 34
12 29
13 33
14 15
15 5 R
16 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 23 14 2 28 -28 -42
18 10 14 3 42 -42 -84
19 20 14 4 56 -56 -140
20 27 14 5 70 -70 -210
21 19 -210
22 2 -210
23 24 -210
24 31 -210
25 13 -210
26 4 R -210
27 6 R 23 6 138 216 78 -132
28 16 R 22 5 110 180 70 -62          ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29 28 R 21 4 84 144 60 -2
30 19 R 20 3 60 108 48 46                --- QUIT
31 1 19 1 19 -19 27
32 7 19 2 38 -38 -11
33 24 R 19 3 57 108 51 40
34 28 18 2 36 -36 4
35 3 18 3 54 -54 -50
36 36 R 18 4 72 144 72 22
37 16 17 3 51 -51 -29
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Hey Celt

I believe Random.org is perfectly random.

As for those 8, it poses some questions,

If I understand that a random number is just that....a number which doesnt relate in any way to other random numbers...then what was it you were saying "if only I had the last 8" to?

It was 8 random numbers. And any 8 random numbers are just that.  And as soon as I say 8 then I am seeing them in series, in a line, which means nothing to the RNG. Only to our abstract mind.

Then you naturally think..."so what was it I was tracking then?"

Its hard to visualise.

[nottophammer]

When WTF and KTF are played, it has been so far as I know (definitely KTF) using a single stream of numbers. When game starts its using 37 #’s that are due, admittedly these 37#’s are collected randomly, from a single source.
What you are suggesting to me, is use different sources that will produce random results.
So why would you do that? Help random out by moving between different streams of data. You people are always going on about you can’t beat random, wouldn’t it be better to stay in one stream of data from one wheel or micky mouse roulette program.
Now you’re in one cycle of random numbers, be it from a wheel or predetermined numbers from a program, you know your choices, 0x’s, 1x’s and >1x’s. How you play against these, is up to the individual.
I know what stream of numbers I’d use, the single stream, where you’ve collected game upon game of data, this data that after 100 games, reveals an average, which we know could change at some point.
Like you say move between streams, but if you play on the same equipment, my case FOBT, RNG, I do play in different streams but they are from the same source, program, which after time behaves in a regular way, note not pattern.
Take Jackpot247.com to date we’ve 111 pieces of data; take the 11th non-hit which for it to hit uses 27 due non-hit numbers, from the same stream. The info you have on this  particular non-hit as it’s from the same source, air ball, is it averages to hit within 1.35 spins and the max to date to come in is 4 spins.
So the max of 4 spins, how long before it max’s to 5? Well it maxed to 4 spins on the 18.2.16, so its 56 days at max 4 spins as of 14.4.16 would this info be any good when you’re suggesting jumping from 1 stream to another, I’d say no, you’d need to collect that type of game play to be able to quote specific details.

[Turner]

You people are always going on about you can’t beat random,

notto

"you people?" lol

I am not suggesting anything if you read it. thats the point. random numbers dont suggest anything

[curiosone]

-Curiosone

As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.

Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.

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         CURIOSONE   14APR16
             (NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 35
3 6
4 5
5 16
6 36
7 14
8 30
9 32
10 25
11 34
12 29
13 33
14 15
15 5 R
16 28 14 1 14 -14 -14
17 23 14 2 28 -28 -42
18 10 14 3 42 -42 -84
19 20 14 4 56 -56 -140
20 27 14 5 70 -70 -210
21 19 -210
22 2 -210
23 24 -210
24 31 -210
25 13 -210
26 4 R -210
27 6 R 23 6 138 216 78 -132
28 16 R 22 5 110 180 70 -62          ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29 28 R 21 4 84 144 60 -2
30 19 R 20 3 60 108 48 46                --- QUIT
31 1 19 1 19 -19 27
32 7 19 2 38 -38 -11
33 24 R 19 3 57 108 51 40
34 28 18 2 36 -36 4
35 3 18 3 54 -54 -50
36 36 R 18 4 72 144 72 22
37 16 17 3 51 -51 -29
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Thanks Celtic,so you added 9 more numbers at the first 14,i understand the move,but when do u know to add the other numbers?there is a trigger?Thanks for your time

[tuddilue]

Celtic - as twocat would put it hear me now and listen to me later. It doesnt matter. Whether you get 37 from same source or you jump from willhill to ladbrokes to paddy getting one spin each from nottos machine of death, it is the same.. End of the day.. it is RANDOM

So in that case you should be able to play after old ktf sheets?
I mean when you have good circumstances and start to bet after spin 23 it should work?
I did some small tests and it works for me. What do you say denzie?  That should make it really powerful if you do not care of the count so much..

[Celticknits]

Thanks Celtic,so you added 9 more numbers at the first 14,i understand the move,but when do u know to add the other numbers?there is a trigger?Thanks for your time

-Curiosone

The trigger I used with my online RNG account was to wait until the next repeat hit and if there were more than 2 additional unhit #s I would add them in. This is not a rule just something that I came up with, that worked for me, while playing on my online casino.
I did not have the account that long because of the number of times I used to see these strange strings of numbers that I felt were being manipulated.   I have seen strange things playing airball live but nothing like I saw with the online RNG. This and the fact I felt like I was playing  a Playstation game made me decide to close out the account and see how fast I would be paid off. At least there were no issues with that.

I think that when you play the SAME RNG time and time again you get a feel for it but if, when I am playing, something does not feel right I will look for the first best exit point. That is the reson I said that I would quit as soon as I got into profit even before I got those additional numbers from random.org

I still think you would be best to play KTF for now and keep working on betting repeats.
There a lot of decisions that only you can make when playing the repeats.
DO NOT play repeats until you are happy with your understanding of it.
Hey you have all sorts of ways of checking your thinking out before playing with real money.

I was lucky because I was playing KTF, studying Nottos averages sheets, LOTT, and Winkels GUT strategy.
If you read ALL of the KTF thread you will see that the main reason I started to play repeats was the large drawdowns sometimes to make $30-$40 Profit that I was not happy with.

Understanding betting repeats is not easy but if you stick with it the light will come on at some point.
This is still the only strategy that I play on roulette.

I hope this helps.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Hey Celt

I believe Random.org is perfectly random.

As for those 8, it poses some questions,

If I understand that a random number is just that....a number which doesnt relate in any way to other random numbers...then what was it you were saying "if only I had the last 8" to?

It was 8 random numbers. And any 8 random numbers are just that.  And as soon as I say 8 then I am seeing them in series, in a line, which means nothing to the RNG. Only to our abstract mind.

Then you naturally think..."so what was it I was tracking then?"

Its hard to visualise.

-Turner

Food for thought, and, thank you for your thoughts on random.org.

-Celtic

[denzie]

I'm not going into this random stuff...
We all know that each spin  is random. After 10 Red in a row there can follow another 10 Red. After seeing 3 times number 14 appear in a row...there is the same chance as all numbers on the wheel that it hits again. Sure. Blabla...yadayayada. ...yekyekyek. ....

But will it happen ? Most likely hell  noooo.
But it can ? Yep.  Lol  (once in ..... spins)

I'm keeping it with 37 spins from the same wheel. Thx

[tuddilue]

I'm not going into this random stuff...
We all know that each spin  is random. After 10 Red in a row there can follow another 10 Red. After seeing 3 times number 14 appear in a row...there is the same chance as all numbers on the wheel that it hits again. Sure. Blabla...yadayayada. ...yekyekyek. ....

But will it happen ? Most likely hell  noooo.
But it can ? Yep.  Lol  (once in ..... spins)

I'm keeping it with 37 spins from the same wheel. Thx

He he ok. I just think it is strange that it works. Maybe it is not so strange because you are betting so much numbers and random is random..

[Celticknits]

-Denzie

If you had to choose between playing airball and playing RNG which one would you choose and why?

-Celtic

[denzie]

-Denzie

If you had to choose between playing airball and playing RNG which one would you choose and why?

-Celtic

Good question ^^

First I would say RNG. Then airball or live dealer. But I saw on those we get those crazy RNG counts also. Sooooo.... RNG ! Why ? Coz it's so fast

[Celticknits]

Good question ^^

First I would say RNG. Then airball or live dealer. But I saw on those we get those crazy RNG counts also. Sooooo.... RNG ! Why ? Coz it's so fast

-Denzie

Thank you for the reply.
After Turners post I have been looking at the posts in the Randomness section of the forum.
I agree that we can get the crazy RNG counts on airball and live dealers but from what I have seen so far it happens a lot more more with RNG than the others.

-Celtic