KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[NextYear]

Dear fellow Forumers!

After great Notto's efforts, KTF was born. Successfully!
He become fine young man.

Let's find out if his younger cousin can grow up in fine young girl.
WTF has roots between Belgium and Canada (Denzie and Celtic).

She likes repeating herself, but not in every situation...

Let's hear what those who know her can tell us about her!
Welcome and please enter!

[NextYear]

Welcome To Forum,
Win The Fortune!

[nottophammer]

Okay lets rebrand, WWR. Win With Repeat
So heres spins 1-10 what next?

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spin # 0x 1x >1x 2x >2 3
1 28 36 1
2 0 35 2
3 21 34 3
4 35 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 27 31 6
7 27 31 5 1 1
8 33 30 6 1 1
9 10 29 7 1 1
10 17 28 8 1 1
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20

8-1x's, 1-2x
BR 1 open?
KTF?

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spin # 0x 1x >1x 2x >2 3
1 28 36 1
2 0 35 2
3 21 34 3
4 35 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 27 31 6
7 27 31 5 1 1
8 33 30 6 1 1
9 10 29 7 1 1
10 17 28 8 1 1
11 29 27 9 1 1
12 6 26 10 1 1
13 34 25 11 1 1
14 9 24 12 1 1
15 15 23 13 1 1

Okay KTF +50 Nottophammer has left. So you'll probably been watching,waiting for the balance to favour betting for a repeat. The count on KTF sheet says 14-1x's to 1 repeat, if we use Winkels way 23-0x, 13-1x and 1->1x. If you except 5 non-hit in spins 11-20 its already happened, i know from over time 11-20 can average 7 non-hit, so you could get 2 more non-hit,hit in next 2 spins.
whats likely to happen?  i'll leave it there
Oh yes the 13th spin could have read 26-9-2-2  remember the >1x's at spin 25 could be 03/05, how they going to get to that point

[nottophammer]

Spin 2 should read 30

[nottophammer]

The more than >1x

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spin # 0x 1x >1x 2x >2 3
1 28 36 1
2 30 35 2
3 21 34 3
4 35 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 27 31 6
7 27 31 5 1 1
8 33 30 6 1 1
9 10 29 7 1 1
10 17 28 8 1 1
11 29 27 9 1 1
12 6 26 10 1 1
13 34 25 11 1 1
14 9 24 12 1 1
15 15 23 13 1 1
16 10 23 12 2 2
17 6 23 11 3 3


[NextYear]

Ja, das ist gut!

[nottophammer]

Both ways showed where the repeat was going to come, the >1x had to grow

[tuddilue]

KTF Advanced

• This a repeater strategy that came out of the KTF system. So this is not a system, it is a strategy.
• So the first thing is to study the KTF thread before you start to use this strategy.
• I want to thank nottophammer that gave a good example how the trot is used above. This is an example how the GUT is used for the trot. For me I'm using a simpler betting strategy and I'm learning GUT.

One hit wonder for repeats
I call this simpler strategy for "One hit wonder" and what is this? 

• It all comes from @denzie that wrote: "What I do frequently is go for 1 hit if the count not good. Don't we always get 1 hit ?
  Over 400 rng sessions now. And I had 1 ....yes 1 session where I didn't got 1 hit. (Yes real money). Best thing I ever seen."
• So this is based on denzies findings and how I use the average to see how the trot is moving.
• I will start with the average:

Average
Average for unhits are 15 in spins 11-40 (from KTF) An example:

• 1-10  - start in KTF (10 unhits and it can exist repeats)
• 11-20 - 5+0 (average 5 unhits and 5 repeats) 
• 21-30 - 5+0 (average 5 unhits and 5 repeats)
• 31-40 - 5+0 (average 5 unhits and 5 repeats)

So in average we will have 5+5+5 unhits and 5+5+5 repeats in 11-40 spins
So if we write 7+2 under 11-20 that means we have had 7 unhits, 2 more than average.

Before I bet

• Sheet from KTF, you can find it here: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg146236#msg146236
• Win goal 20-100 or 1 to 3 wins
• Progression D'Alembert +1/-1
• Progression comment. Because we are betting small numbers the progression is really powerfull
• Bankroll max of 420 units. (7 losses in a row).
• Bankroll Comment: Say we get to high in the progression. Let's say at 5 or 6 units. And I get my hit. Then I look how much I'm down. If it's around -50 then I take the loss. Coz we get it back next session

How I bet

• For me it is all about safety. So I always bet for one repeat in a progression of 7. As denzie said above "Don't we always get 1 hit ?"
• The recovey after 1 hit of a repeat is really great. That makes this one hit wonder so powerfull.
• So for betting the repeats we want to have them late in the trot, when a lot of unhits has already hit.

Step by step how I start to bet:

• Follow the average of unhits
• Aiming for start betting when around 15 unhits has gone (this is for the progression)
• I usually starts around spin 21-23. Because after spin 21 I know that a lot of unhits has hit and a repeat will come soon...
• I always hope to have a good average in spin 11-20. So for example 8+3 (3 more unhits than average)
• I also look at how the trot is doing. So if I get for example 15+2 (first 10 unhits + 5 unhits and just 2 repeats) Then I can start earlier than 21 because the average count is so good.

Step by step when started betting

• Bet the repeaters that you have found
• If a repeater hits remove that one and continue betting the other repeaters
• Stop when reached your goal 1-3 repeaters

I will post an example of three games I did yesterday. The tricky thing is to read the trot. You never know how it will turn and when the repeaters will come. For me I have had god results with this and I learn a lot of the trot. It is as they say practice, practice, practice...

I also have a lot to learn around the GUT and I will use my knowledge in One hit wonder. I think this is a good newbie repeater betting strategy that everyone can use...

[tuddilue]

The first game:
I start after 15 unhits. The count is 15+2 so the repeaters will come soon. When I started to bet 1 came directly after.

I then started to get one repeater again. I got it at spin 21..
Here after you can see the trot has more repeaters to come. The ending is 2-3, impressive!

The second game
Here I had hard time to read the trot early so I waited for the average and to bet the 21. Because it is a high average 7+2 I was thinking that the repeaters will come and they did...

The third game
This was a tricky one. I was betting after the 15 unhits had come and the count was 15+3. But I then stopped. After that it came 5 unhits... But look at 31-40, there the repeaters are. This makes the trot so hard to read. But one hit wonder should have work here as well...

[NextYear]

Thanks Tuddi, you elaborate it nicely!

[Celticknits]

Both ways showed where the repeat was going to come, the >1x had to grow

Here is the payout sheet betting the repeats starting at spin #21 for Nottos 19Mar16 JJ numbers

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 28
2 30
3 21
4 35
5 0
6 27
7 27 R
8 33
9 10
10 17
11 29
12 6
13 34
14 9
15 15
16 10 R
17 6 R
18 12
19 30 R
20 16       --Count at this point is 7+2 and favours betting repeats next spin
21   2 16 1 16 -16 -16
22   22 16 2 32 -32 -48
23   9 R 16 3 48 108 60 12
24 17 R 15 2 30 72 42 54
25 27 R 14 1 14 36 22 76 --- I would consider quitting here
26 11 13 1 13 -13 63
27 13 13 2 26 -26 37 --- Note that at this point you have 4 losses and only 3 wins and are still up 37u
28 21 R 13 3 39 108 69 106 --- I would definitely have quit here
29 11 12 2 24 -24 82
30 33 R 12 3 36 108 72 154



The chances are after winning 3 in a row I probably would have quit after spin #25, which is only the 5th betting spin, and either reset or left the casino.

Yes I know I could have made 50% more if I had gone for 5 wins and that brings up one of the main things to always keep in mind with this strategy ------ DO NOT GET GREEDY IT WILL GET YOU!!! ------------

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

The first game:
I start after 15 unhits. The count is 15+2 so the repeaters will come soon. When I started to bet 1 came directly after.

I then started to get one repeater again. I got it at spin 21..
Here after you can see the trot has more repeaters to come. The ending is 2-3, impressive!

-Tuddilue

Looking at your sheet I am not sure what your bet amounts are.
I am going to do this one game at a time.

Here is the payout sheet betting repeats as I would have done it for your first game.

NOTE: -I never bet any number that has already hit 3 times and I always cover the 0 or in my case 0 and 00, regardless of whether they are included in the initial sequence of numbers or not. This is why my first stake is $17.

-Celtic

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TUDDILUE GAME 1 19MAR16

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 28
2 5
3 19
4 20
5 8 X
6 13
7 21
8 25
9 2
10 19 R
11 1
12 32
13     12
14 27
15 8 R
16 31
17 10
18 8 R
19 29
20 35      -Count is 8+3 and looks very good to bet repeats next spin--Will go for 4 Wins
21 32 R 17 1 17 36 19 19
22 28 R 16 1 16 36 20 39
23 4 15 1 15 -15 24
24 16 15 2 30 -30 -6
25 31 R 15 3 45 108 63 57
26 10 R 14 2 28 72 44 101 --- I would quit here ---- Remember DO NOT GET GREEDY!!!
27 14 13 1 13 -13 88
28 31 13 2 26 -26 62
29 32 13 3 39 -39 23
30 13 R 13 4 52 144 92 115


[Celticknits]

The second game
Here I had hard time to read the trot early so I waited for the average and to bet the 21. Because it is a high average 7+2 I was thinking that the repeaters will come and they did...

-Tuddilue

Very interesting second game.

Note after that third hit on the 8 at spin #14 I reset to the spin following the first occurance of the 8 which is spin #8.
I made this decision because I did not like the fact that 21.4% of the first 14 spins were repeats and also the same number repeat.
As Azim and Winkel and Notto have said this is personal thinking and can not be taught but rather learned over time.
After the next 10 spins we now have 9/10
Another 10 spins and we have a count of 7+2

Here is the payout sheet for Game #2 19Mar16 as I would have played it.

-Celtic

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TUDDILUE GAME #2 19MAR16

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 36
2 8 X
3 11
4 7
5 31
6 28
7 8 R
8 8 X Reset to here after spin #14
9 18
10 13
11 36
12 5
13 9
14 8 R
15 25
16 17
17 6 9/10
18 6 R
19 16
20 32
21 17 R
22 31
23 19
24 32 R
25 15
26 7
27 12 Count from reset is now 7+2
28 0 R 17 1 17 36 19 19
29 6 R 16 1 16 36 20 39
30 32 R 15 1 15 36 21 60
WOULD HAVE GONE FOR FOURTH REPEAT (WIN) BUT RAN OUT OF NUMBERS


As you can see there are decisions to be made as to when to start betting and in this case mine were different for the reasons stated.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

b]The third game[/b]
This was a tricky one. I was betting after the 15 unhits had come and the count was 15+3. But I then stopped. After that it came 5 unhits... But look at 31-40, there the repeaters are. This makes the trot so hard to read. But one hit wonder should have work here as well...

-Tuddilue

Last but not least Game #3 analysis

Interesting that I had to do a reset just like the last game because of a triple hit on one number so early in the sequence.
I take it this is all RNG.
If my B&M wheel acted like this I would look for another casino.

Anyways, here is the payout sheet for game #3 as I would have played it.

-Celtic

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TUDDILUE GAME #3 19MAR16

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 0
2 13
3 16
4 17
5 19
6 30
7 30 R
8 4
9 1 X
10 14 Reset to here after spin #14
11 1
12 28
13 22
14 1 R
15 12
16 26
17 20
18 24
19 17 9/10
20 31
21 25
22 5
23 7
24 2
25 5 R
26 29
27 13
28 10
29 18 Count from reset is now 9+4          -With a count this good I am looking for 5 wins
30 21 19 1 19 -19 -19
31 18 R 19 2 38 72 34 15
32 22 R 18 1 18 36 18 33
33 1 R 17 1 17 36 19 52
34 32 16 1 16 -16 36
35 14 R 16 2 32 72 40 76
36 5 R 15 1 15 36 21 97 ----- I would quit here as I decided on 5 wins to begin with
37 24 R 14 1 14 36 22 119
38 1 13 1 13 -13 106
39 8 13 2 26 -26 80
40 16 13 3 39 -39 41


[tuddilue]

-Tuddilue

Looking at your sheet I am not sure what your bet amounts are.
I am going to do this one game at a time.

Here is the payout sheet betting repeats as I would have done it for your first game.

NOTE: -I never bet any number that has already hit 3 times and I always cover the 0 or in my case 0 and 00, regardless of whether they are included in the initial sequence of numbers or not. This is why my first stake is $17.

-Celtic

Maybe it doesn't show so well but I use 1 unit. My intension where never to publish them so they are not so beautifully sorry for that..

Thanks really interesting to read! I understand why you start earlier. For me I'm learning...

Ok that is something I have to add to my game, that not betting on a number that has hit 3 times...