KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[RFMAXX]

@ celt:

in past examples 8+3 in first 10 werent a problem.
or am i am wrong?
why to avoid 2 repeaters in first 10?

[denzie]

@ celt:

in past examples 8+3 in first 10 werent a problem.
or am i am wrong?
why to avoid 2 repeaters in first 10?

That's what I thought also 
Good question.

[denzie]

So basically we only want 9/10 or 10/10 in spin 1-10?

And we need +3 , +4 , +5 in spin 11-20 ?

[goldrosen]

UPDATE:

We reset to start at old spin #7 not 8
Sorry about that.

-Celtic

Why can't u reset at spin #4? Then number 28 is the first spin?

[Celticknits]

- Celticknits

Nice one how you handled the 2 repeaters. I thought you should do a reset after the repeaters 0 and 29 (#9 and #10).
That you handled the 25 and 7 instead was really nice!

I have one question for you:
The count after #20 is 9+4 (4 more unhit than average)
At #30 you say the count is 10+6(6 more unhit than average)

But in my head that can't be true. Because it has hit 3 repeaters and 1 unhit.
I can understand the 10 but how do you get +6? I get it to +2...

Thanks for a good explanation otherwise!

-Tuddilue

Your statements ar in RED.

I thought you should do a reset after the repeaters 0 and 29 (#9 and #10).

When I reset I want to go back as far as possible and would be willing to leave 2 sets of repeats in the original numbers.
This one worked out a lot better deleting repeats. Sometimes it does not and I reset again.

When betting repeats there are a lot of decisions that are based on personal preference and how you feel when you look at the current count.
When you read about GUT how many times did you see Winkel say that the choice is yours or if you do not feel right about something just reset, or take a jump as he used to say.

I have one question for you:
The count after #20 is 9+4 (4 more unhit than average)
At #30 you say the count is 10+6(6 more unhit than average)
But in my head that can't be true. Because it has hit 3 repeaters and 1 unhit.
I can understand the 10 but how do you get +6? I get it to +2...

I was afraid that referencing spin numbers might get confusing, when dealing with a reset.

The spin #20 you reference above is in the new reset cycle and not in the old cycle.
The 10+6 count is after spin #24 of the reset cycle not spin #30 of the new cycle.
You mixed the two cycle spin numbers.

So ONLY USING THE NEW SPIN CYCLE NUMBERS we get:

Spin #20 --- Count is 9+4
Spin #21 --- This is another Repeat.
Remember there are 5 repeats allocated to every block of 10 spins so 5-1=4 added to the old count of 9+4 gives us 9+8
Spin #22 --- This is an unhit number so the count is 10+8 (the repeat count stays the same and 1 is added to the unhit total.
Spin #23 --- Another Repeat giving us (9+4+ 1Unhit + (5-2)Repeats = 10+7
Spin #24 --- Another Repeat giving us (9+4+ 1Unhit + (5-3)Repeats = 10+6

Now if you continue the count to spin #30 OF THE NEW CYCLE your repeat count WILL BE the +2 you mentioned but your unhit count will have increase by 3 giving you a count of 12+2 at spin #30 of the new cycle. (9+4)+(3-2).

I think the confusion came in because you mixed the old and new spin cycle numbers.
Take a look at the attached chart that shows both the original and reset cycles.

Let me know if this helps clears it up for you.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

@ celt:

in past examples 8+3 in first 10 werent a problem.
or am i am wrong?
why to avoid 2 repeaters in first 10?

-RFMAXX

No you are not wrong.

In the case of Dennies numbers I reset because:
1.  This is RNG and some really weird number sequences come up that I do not see in live play at the B&M
2.  Coupled with the RNG I did not like those 2 repeats in the first 10 spins.

Based on the teachings of Winkel, Notto, Azim and others there are many times when following the count, or trot as Winkel calls it, when a decision has to be made whether to carry on, reset or just plain quit. In this case I decided to reset.

Also, please note that the 8+3 does not reference the first 10 spins but the second ten so we are 20 spins into the 37 spin cycle.

-Celtic

[denzie]

This was airball.  Not RNG. I'm stopped playing rng to see if it would make any difference.  So far it seems I've got more repeaters in spin 21-30. As on rng they come in 31-40. But than we could get the wrong repeaters.

Only this session is the first to bust. As my feeling told me the count was good.

But hey, much more profit then losses. I go for minimum 1 br each day. So it won't hurt me. It's all good 

[Celticknits]

So basically we only want 9/10 or 10/10 in spin 1-10?

And we need +3 , +4 , +5 in spin 11-20 ?

-Denzie

Yes that is what I was looking for before betting with your numbers in this session.

I approached this thinking that it was RNG and that scares the hell out of me.
Basically, I did not feel good about those 2 repeats in the first 10 spins.
Remember this is just how I would have played this session.

Based on the teachings of Winkel, Notto, Azim and others there are many times when following the count, or trot as Winkel calls it, when a decision has to be made whether to carry on, reset or just plain quit. Winkel has stated that if you are not sure about something it may be best to just jump/reset, after all, the numbers will keep coming and you have not bet anything. In this case I decided to reset.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

This was airball.  Not RNG. I'm stopped playing rng to see if it would make any difference.  So far it seems I've got more repeaters in spin 21-30. As on rng they come in 31-40. But than we could get the wrong repeaters.

Only this session is the first to bust. As my feeling told me the count was good.

But hey, much more profit then losses. I go for minimum 1 br each day. So it won't hurt me. It's all good 

-Denzie

Based on you your stratement in red above you did the right thing by continuing.
I did not feel that it was good enough so I reset.
I call these decisions my Winkel moments.

I realize that a lot of people will not understand this and there is no way to explain it but if something bothers you and gives you doubts just reset or quit.

-Celtic

[denzie]

Thx for your reply Celticknits.
Still love those repeaters 

[tuddilue]

Answer in red:

-Tuddilue

...
I think the confusion came in because you mixed the old and new spin cycle numbers.
Thanks for the explanation now I understand how you count it. Really clever I will start with it right away.
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!


Take a look at the attached chart that shows both the original and reset cycles.

Let me know if this helps clears it up for you.
Yes thanks!!
-Celtic

[tuddilue]

...
But hey, much more profit then losses. I go for minimum 1 br each day. So it won't hurt me. It's all good 

-Denzie

Good to hear!
I ask because I'm curious, how long does it take for you to win a br on airball?

Thanks in advance!

[denzie]

-Denzie

Good to hear!
I ask because I'm curious, how long does it take for you to win a br on airball?

Thanks in advance!

3 to 5 hours 

[tuddilue]

3 to 5 hours 

Impressive!  Around that was my guessing!

For me right now I have around half an hour per day. So maybe I can play 2 sessions but it usually it is one so 80-100 units on RNG...

[Celticknits]

Why can't u reset at spin #4? Then number 28 is the first spin?

-Golden

No reason at all.
As it turns out had I reset to where you said it would have been a better option because I would have won sooner.
Good call.

When I play a set of published numbers I try and approach it as I would have if I was sitting in my B&M AND without looking at ALL of the numbers. This is hard to do but remember that there is not a lot of time for analysis when you are at the table(s).
Anyways the first reset point that I saw was AFTER spin #6 and that is why I went there.

-Celtic