KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[Celticknits]

Thx for your reply Celticknits.
Still love those repeaters 

-Denzie

You are more than welcome.
Repeaters are still all I am playing.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

-Tuddilue

...
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
You cannot remove the one repeat from the +4 because that one repeat is part of the 5 repeats allocated to the spins 21-30. So you subtract it from that 5 and add it to the previous count.

10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
This is correct.
Yes the unhit count is 10 but your repeat count is not correct.

10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!

Tracking the count through individual spins is hard and takes practice but it is necessary to understand so that you can make more informed decisions as they come up.
There is nothing new to this really.

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

-Tuddilue

...
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
You cannot remove the one repeat from the +4 because that one repeat is part of the 5 repeats allocated to the spins 21-30. So you subtract it from that 5 and add it to the previous count.

10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
This is correct.
Yes the unhit count is 10 but your repeat count is not correct.

10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!

Tracking the count through individual spins is hard and takes practice but it is necessary to understand so that you can make more informed decisions as they come up.
There is nothing new to this really.

-Celtic

-Celticknits

I will start using it tomorrow.  Thanks I'm always learning something new from you. For example, my game improved alot when I started to use the reset in the correct way from you...

This count has bothered me but now I know how to do it. I think anyway 

Otherwise more questions will arise!

Thanks that you take the time and for good advice!!

[Celticknits]

-Tuddilue

...
Why we differ? That is because I count another way. I count like this:
9+4 (after 20)
9+3 (after 21 a repeat, I just remove one from +4)
You cannot remove the one repeat from the +4 because that one repeat is part of the 5 repeats allocated to the spins 21-30. So you subtract it from that 5 and add it to the previous count.

10+3 (after 22 an unhit, I just add one to 9)
This is correct.
Yes the unhit count is 10 but your repeat count is not correct.

10+2 (after 23 a repeat, I just remove one from +3)
I think your way is better. I have been looking for a better way to see the count in the 21-30 spins. My way of counting was just away of getting a feeling which way the count will go. Your way is better because then I see the count clearer. Thanks!!

Tracking the count through individual spins is hard and takes practice but it is necessary to understand so that you can make more informed decisions as they come up.
There is nothing new to this really.

-Celtic

-Tuddilue

Glad to help

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

For anyone interested here is my weekly Monday live play at the local B&M on a Euro airball wheel:

Notes on how I play:
If spin #20 is an unhit number, and the repeat count is +3 or less  I wait for a repeat to hit OR two more un-hits in a row before I start betting.

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GEORGIAN DOWNS   28MAR16 (00 Wheel)

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 20
2 15
3 12
4   6
5  31
6  22
7 19
8 0
9 9
10 7             10/10
11  21
12 29
13 7 R
14 12 R
15 17
16  22 R
17 2
18 36
19 26
20 3 Count at this point is 7 +2
21 25
22 8
23 25 R 20 1 20 36 16 16
24 7 R 19 1 19 36 17 33
25 2 R 18 1 18 36 18 51
26 34 17 1 17 -17 34
27 00 R 17 2 34 72 38 72 --- Quit
28 27 16 1 16 -16 56
29 7 16 2 32 -32 24
30 32 16 3 48 -48 -24
31 1 16 4 64 -64 -88
32 29 R 16 5 80 180 100 12
33 1 15 4 60 -60 -48
34 15 R 15 5 75 180 105 57
35 30 14 4 56 -56 1
36 6 R 14 5 70 180 110 111
37 27 13 1 13 -13 98
38 35 13 2 26 -26 72
39
40



[Celticknits]

For anyone interested here is my weekly Monday live play at the local B&M on a Euro airball wheel:

Notes on how I play:
If spin #20 is an unhit number, and the repeat count is +3 or less  I wait for a repeat to hit OR two more un-hits in a row before I start betting.

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GEORGIAN DOWNS   28MAR16 (00 Wheel)

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 20
2 15
3 12
4   6
5  31
6  22
7 19
8 0
9 9
10 7             10/10
11  21
12 29
13 7 R
14 12 R
15 17
16  22 R
17 2
18 36
19 26
20 3 Count at this point is 7 +2
21 25
22 8
23 25 R 20 1 20 36 16 16
24 7 R 19 1 19 36 17 33
25 2 R 18 1 18 36 18 51
26 34 17 1 17 -17 34
27 00 R 17 2 34 72 38 72 --- Quit
28 27 16 1 16 -16 56
29 7 16 2 32 -32 24
30 32 16 3 48 -48 -24
31 1 16 4 64 -64 -88
32 29 R 16 5 80 180 100 12
33 1 15 4 60 -60 -48
34 15 R 15 5 75 180 105 57
35 30 14 4 56 -56 1
36 6 R 14 5 70 180 110 111
37 27 13 1 13 -13 98
38 35 13 2 26 -26 72
39
40



Too much chocolate with the grandkids at Easter.
The wheel is an American 00 wheel.

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

For anyone interested here is my weekly Monday live play at the local B&M on a Euro airball wheel:

Notes on how I play:
If spin #20 is an unhit number, and the repeat count is +3 or less  I wait for a repeat to hit OR two more un-hits in a row before I start betting.
...

Interesting aproach.  Is these rules are there something you have seen in all your plays or is it a gut feeling?

I will also add them to my plays and see what happens. Thanks!

[denzie]

Interesting aproach.  Is these rules are there something you have seen in all your plays or is it a gut feeling?

You ask the right question again 


I will also add them to my plays and see what happens. Thanks!

Be careful with RNG....I've seen the best counts lose on it . First repeater at spin 33 and only 1 repeater in spin 21-30 , etc....
That's why I switched to airball to see how it's different.

In my rng sessions going for 3 hits was less profitable. Going for 1 hit came out best. So far I'm getting more repeaters in spin 21-30 on airball.  Just so you know. I could advise if you don't have much time and need rng. ... go for 1 or 2 hits...sit out 2 virtual spins. If no virtual hit then go for one last hit.

[tuddilue]

Be careful with RNG....I've seen the best counts lose on it . First repeater at spin 33 and only 1 repeater in spin 21-30 , etc....
That's why I switched to airball to see how it's different.

In my rng sessions going for 3 hits was less profitable. Going for 1 hit came out best. So far I'm getting more repeaters in spin 21-30 on airball.  Just so you know. I could advise if you don't have much time and need rng. ... go for 1 or 2 hits...sit out 2 virtual spins. If no virtual hit then go for one last hit.

Yes I know. The RNG is hard to play against. It behaves as you says, sometimes there are not many repeaters in 21-30 but everything is pointing towards it. So far it always has around nottos average 15 repeaters in 11-40.

For me right now it is the time aspect that is doing that I play on RNG. But I have played on airball before and I will start playing on it soon. Will be interesting about your findings. But if you find that there are more repeaters in spin 21-30 than RNG then that is a reason to change to airball...

Yes I have also found that 1 to 2 hits on the RNG is enough. Then the repeaters will stop 

[Celticknits]

Interesting aproach.  Is these rules are there something you have seen in all your plays or is it a gut feeling?

I will also add them to my plays and see what happens. Thanks!

-Tuddilue

Early in this thread, or the KTF thread, Denzie mentioned that when he gets a good count he waits for a repeat to hit before he actually starts to bet so I tried it and it seems to work out most of the time. Adding the waiting for 2 more non-hits was just something that I came up with that seems to enhance it. This seems to cut down on some initial drawdowns in spins 21-30 and had I started betting at spin #21 I still would have won but those non-hits just meant that you needed a larger BR to ride it out until the repeats came.

I will say that nothing is really cast in stone and there are still times that that I will start betting at spin #21 with say a 10/10 in spins 1-10 and a count of 8 +3 in spins 11-20. Look at the numbers I posted for my live game yesterday and the drawdown I would have had if I had started betting at spin #21. Not that bad but now look at the drawdown if I had started betting on spin #21 of Denzies original numbers with the 8+3 count. We would have been at progression level 6 before we got a win.

I no longer post all my games because a lot of people seem to think that there is a firm set of rules and there isn't.

Look at what happened the other day when Denzie posted some numbers and I posted a payout sheet on how I would have played it.
When I work with posted numbers I try to approach it the same way I would if I was sitting in the B&M and do not look at numbers that are to come. In that case the other day I did not like the 2 repeats in the first 10 spins so I reset. If you run the numbers by betting right away you still would have won. The selection of my reset point was also brought up and as it turns out had I selected an earlier reset point I would have won sooner but as I said I approached as if I was sitting at a table and only allow myself 10 seconds to analyze the situation and make a decision.

I almost did not post yesterdays play because in the past I have said that if I get three hits in a row I quit. This time I waited for 4. I did this because my initial stake was higher than normal so after the 3rd win in a row the count was still good and I felt that it was OK to continue but I was firm on the idea that I would quit after the next win as long as was in a profit.

I ALWAYS take the JJ numbers that Notto posts either in this thread or KTF and run them as if I was in the casino and I would suggest that others do the same. As has been said may times Practice, Practice, Practice.

-Celtic

[SimonZed1]

I cant seem to get a loosing session on RNG the way I play it. Anybody here got an EPIC loosing session?? Like, lost all your starting bankroll on a single game? The worst I got yet is +4 units on a 4th level progression with betting on 14 repeaters. If you can post it here I would like to study it.

I think I found an online live dealers with a 40 seconds betting delay to try it on.... We'll see.

Thanks!!

[Celticknits]

I cant seem to get a loosing session on RNG the way I play it. Anybody here got an EPIC loosing session?? Like, lost all your starting bankroll on a single game? The worst I got yet is +4 units on a 4th level progression with betting on 14 repeaters. If you can post it here I would like to study it.

I think I found an online live dealers with a 40 seconds betting delay to try it on.... We'll see.

Thanks!!

I can't help you with the losing session.

Exactly how are you playing it?

Can you give us a link to the online live dealer?

This must be one of the few threads where people are wondering when they are going to lose
Gotta love it.

-Celtic

[SimonZed1]

I can't help you with the losing session.

Exactly how are you playing it?

Can you give us a link to the online live dealer?

This must be one of the few threads where people are wondering when they are going to lose
Gotta love it.

-Celtic

I called my method FTT (F*ck the Trot!)

I just cant seem to understand it and I still wonder what it’s importance is in the repeats betting method.

The way I do it is pretty simple. I check the last 10 spins. There must be NO repeats. I wait for the next 10 spins. There MUST BE between 3-4 repeats. NO MORE, NO LESS. (Why? Beacose I have noticed in my sessions that less than that, there is a tendency to have less repeats in 21-40. More than that, same thing.)

At bet 21, I start betting all numbers from spins 1 to 20 that have come up once. Usually around 10-13 numbers. I bet with +1 progression. I stop at higher high and reset. I go for 1 win only. I then use the last 10 numbers to restart a new session if there are no repeats.

Thats is.

I try to play only on Betsoft (link:://:.betsoft.com/) roulette software only. Why? Beacose all the certification of their RNG is on their web site and their registration too (link:://:.betsoft.com/application/files/7814/3808/5190/Digital_Software_Limited_RNG__Certificate.pdf) .

Also, as I uderstand it, when you play a Betsoft roulette on a Online Casino, the software you are downloading is from the Betsoft site and it is running on their server. Not the Casino`s.

I want to try a Provably Fair roulette table soon.

The site with the 40 seconds roulette table is link:s://fortunejack.com

It`s cryptocurrencies only though. It’s ok with me as I only do bitcoins gaming.

Simon.

[tuddilue]

I called my method FTT (F*ck the Trot!)
He he funny name. Yah why not!?
I just cant seem to understand it and I still wonder what it’s importance is in the repeats betting method.

The way I do it is pretty simple. I check the last 10 spins. There must be NO repeats. I wait for the next 10 spins. There MUST BE between 3-4 repeats. NO MORE, NO LESS. (Why? Beacose I have noticed in my sessions that less than that, there is a tendency to have less repeats in 21-40. More than that, same thing.)

At bet 21, I start betting all numbers from spins 1 to 20 that have come up once. Usually around 10-13 numbers. I bet with +1 progression. I stop at higher high and reset. I go for 1 win only. I then use the last 10 numbers to restart a new session if there are no repeats.
I see that you have developed your method. One question what are you doing with the numbers that has hit more than ones? Are you betting them as well?

Thats is.

I try to play only on Betsoft (link:://:.betsoft.com/) roulette software only. Why? Beacose all the certification of their RNG is on their web site and their registration too (link:://:.betsoft.com/application/files/7814/3808/5190/Digital_Software_Limited_RNG__Certificate.pdf) .

Also, as I uderstand it, when you play a Betsoft roulette on a Online Casino, the software you are downloading is from the Betsoft site and it is running on their server. Not the Casino`s.

I want to try a Provably Fair roulette table soon.

The site with the 40 seconds roulette table is link:s://fortunejack.com

It`s cryptocurrencies only though. It’s ok with me as I only do bitcoins gaming.I have not tested those online sites but I will, thanks! I will try this method on Bwin RNG. That is executed on their site..

Simon.

[tuddilue]

-Tuddilue

Early in this thread, or the KTF thread, Denzie mentioned that when he gets a good count he waits for a repeat to hit before he actually starts to bet so I tried it and it seems to work out most of the time. Adding the waiting for 2 more non-hits was just something that I came up with that seems to enhance it. This seems to cut down on some initial drawdowns in spins 21-30 and had I started betting at spin #21 I still would have won but those non-hits just meant that you needed a larger BR to ride it out until the repeats came.
Yes I remember that Denzie mentioned it. I think it is in the KTF thread.. Yes I can understand that it will cut down some drawdown...

I will say that nothing is really cast in stone and there are still times that that I will start betting at spin #21 with say a 10/10 in spins 1-10 and a count of 8 +3 in spins 11-20. Look at the numbers I posted for my live game yesterday and the drawdown I would have had if I had started betting at spin #21. Not that bad but now look at the drawdown if I had started betting on spin #21 of Denzies original numbers with the 8+3 count. We would have been at progression level 6 before we got a win.
Yes that was a lucky one. Sometimes you will have luck and sometimes not. I understand that it is not set in stone and I think that is the beauty of it because you can play it in different ways.
I no longer post all my games because a lot of people seem to think that there is a firm set of rules and there isn't.

Look at what happened the other day when Denzie posted some numbers and I posted a payout sheet on how I would have played it.
When I work with posted numbers I try to approach it the same way I would if I was sitting in the B&M and do not look at numbers that are to come. In that case the other day I did not like the 2 repeats in the first 10 spins so I reset. If you run the numbers by betting right away you still would have won. The selection of my reset point was also brought up and as it turns out had I selected an earlier reset point I would have won sooner but as I said I approached as if I was sitting at a table and only allow myself 10 seconds to analyze the situation and make a decision.
I think we are a lot that want to learn more about this. I can just talk for myself and that is the case for me. I always tries to run the same games as you do and almost every time I get some other result. That is really nice because then I learn a lot. The reset and now the count in 21-30 has really changed my game.

I almost did not post yesterdays play because in the past I have said that if I get three hits in a row I quit. This time I waited for 4. I did this because my initial stake was higher than normal so after the 3rd win in a row the count was still good and I felt that it was OK to continue but I was firm on the idea that I would quit after the next win as long as was in a profit.

I ALWAYS take the JJ numbers that Notto posts either in this thread or KTF and run them as if I was in the casino and I would suggest that others do the same. As has been said may times Practice, Practice, Practice.
I agree with you. You need to Practice, Practice, Practice and you always learns new things!
-Celtic

So thanks for adding your sheets and answering my questions. It is really appreciated! Thanks!