KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[denzie]

All from spin 1-20

[Celticknits]

For all those who play wtf..

Question : what was your highest spin count for the first repeater?  ( after spin 20 ) . Pls mention live or rng
7 at B&M American Airball Wheel. Recovered with a countback at spin 25 and then a large group of repeats came.

Currently I'm playing these scenario :
First 10 spins : 8/10 , 9/10 , 10/10
Second 10 spins : + 2 , +3 , +4 , +5
Same here---Never seen a +5 yet

I'm going in on spin 24 if no virtual hit on spin 21-22-23
By hit you mean a repeat?
What do you do if there is a hit?

No losses yet ...

On RNG I have 2 losses where I hit on spin 33 and another on spin 35 

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

All from spin 1-20

-Denzie,

Glad to hear from you I was beginning to worry.

Question - Are you not adding in the unhits from spins 21 until you start betting to your unhits in spins 1-20?

-Celtic

[denzie]

All ok here mate. How about you? All good over there?

Nope, I don't add the unhits of spin 21-22-23 . Only all nrs that came in spin 1 to 20.

Also if I hit on spin  27 for the first time I stop and take the tiny loss. Cuz that would starting look like a rfh is forming.

Uhm maybe I didn't asked it properly : I meant after spin 20 , how many spins before you got the first hit ? ( repeater)
So for you it was 5 Celticknits?

[denzie]

On a hit in my tracking?  Reset

[Celticknits]

All ok here mate. How about you? All good over there?

Nope, I don't add the unhits of spin 21-22-23 . Only all nrs that came in spin 1 to 20.

Also if I hit on spin  27 for the first time I stop and take the tiny loss. Cuz that would starting look like a rfh is forming.

Uhm maybe I didn't asked it properly : I meant after spin 20 , how many spins before you got the first hit ? ( repeater)
So for you it was 5 Celticknits?

No you asked the question properly.
It was 7.
At spin 25 I added in the additional 5 unhits that had come.

I had 6 repeaters in a row starting on spin 28 but I quit as soon as I was in profit.
Only made about $15 on that session.
That was a while ago and I haven't seen anything like it since.
Almost thought I was playing your RNG game

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

Question : what was your highest spin count for the first repeater?  ( after spin 20 ) . Pls mention live or rng

denzie

For your question I have repeaters from 21 and forward...
But I also see that unhits are more in 21-30 than in 31-40. So for me I almost always start after 25 if the count is correct...

[nottophammer]

Just from the avg doc
spins 11-20  usually see 7 non-hit,so yes 7,+2
spins 21-30  usuallysee  5 non-hit,so yes the count would be 12, +2, so here its been 50/50,the expected 5 non-hit
spins 31-40  usuallysee  3 non-hit, making the trot at 40th +0, if the count was 12,+2 means repeats came

So 7+5+3 = 15 and as we distribute the 15 non-hit 11-20 (5) 21-30 (5) 31-40 (5)
                                                  usual average seen     (7,+2)   (12,+2)     (15,+0)
                                                                                         (7)   +    (5)     +     (3)
                                                                                     more      average      more
                                                                                 non-hit        both         repeats

[denzie]

denzie

For your question I have repeaters from 21 and forward...
But I also see that unhits are more in 21-30 than in 31-40. So for me I almost always start after 25 if the count is correct...

21 sure.... but was your first hit that kept you waiting to hit the longest  ? 25? 26? 27? .....mine was 28 on a live wheel. ...so 21-27 were non hits.

[denzie]

Another question. ... sorry ^^

Did you ever see 20 unique in a row ? 
RNG Or Live.
Ktf or wtf...(same sheets)

As In first 20 spins.....

[tuddilue]

21 sure.... but was your first hit that kept you waiting to hit the longest  ? 25? 26? 27? .....mine was 28 on a live wheel. ...so 21-27 were non hits.

Ok i understand it was 27 so 21-26 was unhit..

[tuddilue]

Another question. ... sorry ^^

Did you ever see 20 unique in a row ? 
RNG Or Live.
Ktf or wtf...(same sheets)

As In first 20 spins.....

No problem,  just ask i will also have many questions in the future 

Yes ones on RNG. So I had 10+5 after #20. I was really surprised 

But as I see it that must be speciell.

[Noreilles]

Another question. ... sorry ^^

Did you ever see 20 unique in a row ? 
RNG Or Live.
Ktf or wtf...(same sheets)

As In first 20 spins.....

Hello. Most I saw was 19 uniques in a row (once) on airball, 18 once and 17 a few times.

I also have a question for anyone playing this and keeping their numbers, if you wouldn't mind checking something out: wait for 15 spins, and play all these numbers (even the repeats, you'll have between 11-15 numbers) untill you are in positive money wise (even just +1), progression +1/-1, max bet of 5 per number, and you add the new unhit numbers as they come and play the new winning repeats if you are not in plus (as soon as you have a positive balance, stop). From my limited testing (28 sessions) I had only one loss (-220), For a net total of +493... So I just want to know if the losses should be more frequent, or if it would be a good way to play. Thanks a bunch for those who test, and post the results if possible. I'll still play that way for now. For the curious, the loss happened when I had 3 repeats in spins 11-15 (only time it happened) after a 10/10 in first 10 spins, spins 16 to 23 were all uniques (live dealer table).

[nottophammer]

Hello. Most I saw was 19 uniques in a row (once) on airball, 18 once and 17 a few times.

I also have a question for anyone playing this and keeping their numbers, if you wouldn't mind checking something out: wait for 15 spins, and play all these numbers (even the repeats, you'll have between 11-15 numbers) untill you are in positive money wise (even just +1), progression +1/-1, max bet of 5 per number, and you add the new unhit numbers as they come and play the new winning repeats if you are not in plus (as soon as you have a positive balance, stop). From my limited testing (28 sessions) I had only one loss (-220), For a net total of +493... So I just want to know if the losses should be more frequent, or if it would be a good way to play. Thanks a bunch for those who test, and post the results if possible. I'll still play that way for now. For the curious, the loss happened when I had 3 repeats in spins 11-15 (only time it happened) after a 10/10 in first 10 spins, spins 16 to 23 were all uniques (live dealer table).

Similar airball

[777]

The longest I have had is only 5 from spin #21
but the what is the longest losingstreak people have had from spin 21-40? I had 9 (Airball)

Never had 20 unique in the first 20, Only 19 like the rest.

I would like to have some advise. Why dont you start betting on spin #21 dont we get a hit within the 3 first spins in 95% of the times?
(I only have 82 sessions to look back at - Airball and Live dealer)

I have been to progression 11 once but managed to recover to a small loss 45 units. after adding 5 numbers like Celtic thought me. was down around 1000 units. was that foolish, Did I get lucky? apart from that I have been down around 500 units 2-3 times but recovered or took a small loss. What does the experts say? stop at progression 7 or 8 as a rule and win it back on 5 other sessions? how often do you come to progression 7?

After 82 sessions I cant complain looking at the win rate but lately the progressions are coming higher than the comfort zone.
and as discipline is not my strongest side it isnt always easy to know when to quit.

Do you play only the spins from 21-40? or to max 60 as Nottos sheet?

Notto

I see that 15 repeaters are the average from spin 11 to 40. But by playing WTF is that correct since R´s after spin 21 isnt always a R for the first 20 that we bet on WTF. looking at my sheets I would guess 11 or 12. then again I only have 82 sessions.

Thank you all for contributing to this knowledge much aprreciated.