KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[777]

Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.

Guess it was just luck.

Here is the session I talked about Celtic:

20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27

26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1

15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36



I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:

3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0

7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1

23
14
2
31
28
16
12
29
7
23

16
22
21
19
2
27
10
29
14
9

6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0


Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -

With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...

Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.

[tuddilue]

....
About the count....it doesn't really matter a lot playing this way. First 10 spins I go to max 2 repeaters. Second 10 spins I go to max 4 repeaters. I bet all nrs in from spin 1-20. Start at betting after spin 23.

I play something similair but I always use the count. Because I play with the average in mind. So I play with these numbers:

So 7+5+3 = 15 and as we distribute the 15 non-hit 11-20 (5) 21-30 (5) 31-40 (5)
                                                  usual average seen     (7,+2)   (12,+2)     (15,+0)
                                                                                         (7)   +    (5)     +     (3)
                                                                                     more      average      more
                                                                                 non-hit        both         repeats

So I count the unhit upward and the repeaters downward.

So the important is the repeaters so I start with 15 repeaters at spin 11 and every time a repeater hit I remove that from 15. So 15,14,13...

So when I arrive at spin 25 I want to have the count of repeaters above 10. In that case I know that I have 10 repeaters and 5 unhits left until spin 40. So in nottos average document you can see that 5 is average between 21-30 and if you have them above you then you know you will hit a lot of repeaters.

So in your case denzie, maybe use some similar count when you are around 23, then you know how many repeaters are left until spin 40.

Some questions for you
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15?
* What is your win goal? My is 1-3 repeaters. I have also played all spins from 25-40 and with the count of 10+ then you can get a lot of repeaters hit 

[RouletteGhost]

* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15

Throw this in here

Going back 25 spins and betting the first 15 has a nice hit rate

Log 15 spins. Sit out 10 spins. Then bet those 15

Sorcery

[tuddilue]

Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.

Guess it was just luck.

Here is the session I talked about Celtic:

20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27

26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1

15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36



I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:

3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0

7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1

23
14
2
31
28
16
12
29
7
23

16
22
21
19
2
27
10
29
14
9

6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0


Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -

With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...

Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.

I run your numbers and if I play like I use to I would have hit 3 repeaters. There exist a lot of repeaters left but I stopped after 3 hits.
At spin 25 my count was 12. So 12 repeaters left and in reality it was 10...

[sniper]

I play something similair but I always use the count. Because I play with the average in mind. So I play with these numbers:
So I count the unhit upward and the repeaters downward.

So the important is the repeaters so I start with 15 repeaters at spin 11 and every time a repeater hit I remove that from 15. So 15,14,13...

So when I arrive at spin 25 I want to have the count of repeaters above 10. In that case I know that I have 10 repeaters and 5 unhits left until spin 40. So in nottos average document you can see that 5 is average between 21-30 and if you have them above you then you know you will hit a lot of repeaters.

So in your case denzie, maybe use some similar count when you are around 23, then you know how many repeaters are left until spin 40.

Some questions for you
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15?
* What is your win goal? My is 1-3 repeaters. I have also played all spins from 25-40 and with the count of 10+ then you can get a lot of repeaters hit 

Hello Tuddilue,

Thanks for your post, it's interesting.

Just by coincidence, I play something similar to yours.

At spin 25, if count for repeater is 5 and below, I play repeater and stop at a target of 30 units.

For mm, I only consider the losses. For every 3 losses accumulated, I increase bet by 1 unit.

I do not reduce the bet on a win, I just maintain the the bet .

I only stop at spin 40 or when target achieved before spin 40.

Please advise.

Regards and best wishes.

[denzie]

Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.

Guess it was just luck.

Here is the session I talked about Celtic:

20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27

26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1

15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36

!!! This one I wouldn't play !!!



I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:

3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0

7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1

23
14
2
31----> start and we hit
28----> another hit
16
12
29
7-------> another hit (still in profit, back to 1u)
23

16
22-----> another hit (I would stop here)
21
19-----> another but already stopped
2
27
10
29
14
9

6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0

!!! This was a good session for my play !!!

Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -

With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...

Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.

About the time for tracking....yep it takes long. I do track on a rolling basis though. But I'm trying on rng for the moment with positive results. And there you find your start very fast. Also the count isn't that important with my way of play. 

[denzie]

Hello Denzie,

Thanks for your post.

You bet all numbers from spin 1-20.

That means you don't add any more new numbers after spin 20 as mentioned in your earlier post?

correct

Do you still wait for 3 new numbers to come in on spin 21,22 and 23 before you start betting?

yep

Do you play beyond spin 37 for single zero or spin 38 for double zero?

Never
Regards and best wishes.

[denzie]

-Denzie

How would that have worked with Nottos 31 number challenge a couple of posts back.

-Celtic

Which one ? Post number. ....?

[denzie]

Some questions for you
* I have noticed that a lot of the repeaters that comes after 25 are from the hits 1-15. have you tried to just bet the first 15?

yes, I started like this in the beginning but wasn't to satisfied with it.

* What is your win goal? My is 1-3 repeaters.
Around 2-3-4 ..... all up to the count (I still watch that    Just the for my start it isn't that important)

[denzie]

At 777.... I've checked your numbers of first session. ... was a bust for me too.(I would start 3 spins later as I track on a rolling) It looks like I had the same on rng....good to know. But it's a rare event though. 

[Celticknits]

Which one ? Post number. ....?

-Denzie

That was on posting #246.
I have attached it here so you don't have to jump back to it.

-Celtic

[denzie]

I should get more numbers. ... as 0 was #21
So I hit for the first time on my sixth bet. Stress would come now....

[nottophammer]

RG
Could you post 10 random numbers could have a repeat if you want.
I want to use your random numbers on jackpot247 tomorrow 13/4/16 at the same time as KTF plays,we'll be able to see a random set of say 27/28 against the KTF numbers,that wont be random?

[RouletteGhost]

RG
Could you post 10 random numbers could have a repeat if you want.
I want to use your random numbers on jackpot247 tomorrow 13/4/16 at the same time as KTF plays,we'll be able to see a random set of say 27/28 against the KTF numbers,that wont be random?

10 random #s you want me to choose? Please explain so i do the right thing

[Celticknits]

I should get more numbers. ... as 0 was #21
So I hit for the first time on my sixth bet. Stress would come now....

Look at the count after spin 15.
In each group of 10 we consider 5 unhits and 5 repeats correct.
So we still have 3 repeats and 2 unhits due in the next 5 spins if everything goes according to plan or to say it another way there are more repeats due than unhits in the next 5 spins. So start betting repeats.

After spin 20 we have a count of 7+2 not great but not bad either yet.
I would have reset and bet all of the unhits in spins 1-20, --- why --- because we have another 4 unhit numbers in spins 16-20.
As it turns out I did not need the reset and would have made more if I had not.

Just my take on it.

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Spin   #             Bet    P      Stake    Win   Net   Total
16 2 12 1     12     -12      -12   --- Bet is 12 because I always cover the 0
17 29 R 12 2     24      72     48 36
18 19 11 1     11     -11 25
19 20 11 2     22     -22   3
20 11 11 3     33     -33       -30
21 36 R 16 4     64     144     80 50 --- At a new High so Reset Progression
22 35 R 15 1     15       36     21 71 --- Consider quit but only risking 14u to make 22u so 1 more bet and quit
23 0 R 14 1     14       36     22 93 --- WinStop reached