KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[777]

Thanks for the replies, ideas and for sharing.

Denzie:

Ok so the session would have survived your way of playing. Good I though it was a session nothing could have survived.
I managed to play my bankroll up 60 times.... wanted to play it up to 500 times meaning only double it up 3 more times. then this hit me and not long after got another on on airball. Guess I got blind after such a success...

You would have stopped after your 3rd hit(spin#29) because of 18 units profit. with a win goal of 80-100 units and a count still good why wouldnt you continue? Im just asking this question to understand how you are thinking.

What is the name of the RNG game you are playing (if you are playing on uni)


Tuddi

thank you for sharing  your method
how many sessions do you have and what is the success rate?

regarding the sheet you uploaded there was some mistakes from the numbers I posted but all good I understood how you would have played it.

Tuddi and Denzie stop much lower than what I usually do. if my win goal is 80 I would stop at anything between 60-80 if its in the beginning. If its been a bumpy ride I can take a small loss or a small profit but I wouldnt have take the profit this early when the count is good. But maybe it is like Denzie is saying. the count isnt that important when you have started.

I have a lot of easy sessions when the count it average.

[tuddilue]

Hello Tuddilue,

Thanks for your post, it's interesting.

Just by coincidence, I play something similar to yours.

At spin 25, if count for repeater is 5 and below, I play repeater and stop at a target of 30 units.

For mm, I only consider the losses. For every 3 losses accumulated, I increase bet by 1 unit.

I do not reduce the bet on a win, I just maintain the the bet .

I only stop at spin 40 or when target achieved before spin 40.

Please advise.

Regards and best wishes.

Hi sniper!
Funny that we have thought about the same thing 

Interesting mm. I have tested flatbet and +1/-1. For flatbet it is hard to recover. But +1/-1 has always worked for me when using the count for over 10. The longest progressions I have needed so far is 4 levels long.

But interesting approach you have so 3 looses in row you add 1 unit and on a loss you stay on that level. I will have to test that thanks!

[tuddilue]

Thanks for the replies, ideas and for sharing.

Tuddi

thank you for sharing  your method
how many sessions do you have and what is the success rate?

regarding the sheet you uploaded there was some mistakes from the numbers I posted but all good I understood how you would have played it.

Tuddi and Denzie stop much lower than what I usually do. if my win goal is 80 I would stop at anything between 60-80 if its in the beginning. If its been a bumpy ride I can take a small loss or a small profit but I wouldnt have take the profit this early when the count is good. But maybe it is like Denzie is saying. the count isnt that important when you have started.

I have a lot of easy sessions when the count it average.

I have to say thank you as well always interesting when we start to discuss things. WTF you can play in different ways, that makes it so fun 

Before I played it live I tested it on my 70 sessions that I have in sheets. Every time the count is over 10 on spin 25 I have won. So never busted a bankroll when waiting for the count to be in favor. But as always in roulette that time will come 

[nottophammer]

10 random #s you want me to choose? Please explain so i do the right thing

any 10 numbers,anywhere on the board,the single zero if you want

[RouletteGhost]

any 10 numbers,anywhere on the board,the single zero if you want

3, 7, 11, 13, 18, 22, 23, 27, 31, 35

00 wheel

[RayManZ]

Hi sniper!
Funny that we have thought about the same thing 

Interesting mm. I have tested flatbet and +1/-1. For flatbet it is hard to recover. But +1/-1 has always worked for me when using the count for over 10. The longest progressions I have needed so far is 4 levels long.

But interesting approach you have so 3 looses in row you add 1 unit and on a loss you stay on that level. I will have to test that thanks!

How do you get a count over 10? How many repeaters is that from spin 1 till 25?

[tuddilue]

How do you get a count over 10? How many repeaters is that from spin 1 till 25?

I count from 11-25 and at spin 25 only 5 repeaters.

You can see an example on reply 258 there you have a sheet from me. At spin 25 I have a count of 12 and that is only 3 repeaters in 11-25. Hope you understand?

[RayManZ]

I count from 11-25 and at spin 25 only 5 repeaters.

You can see an example on reply 258 there you have a sheet from me. At spin 25 I have a count of 12 and that is only 3 repeaters in 11-25. Hope you understand?

I figure you start with 15 in spin 11 and just substract the repeats?

Notto starts with zero. If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2
If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4

[Celticknits]

Thanks for the reply Denzie and Celtic.

Guess it was just luck.

Here is the session I talked about Celtic:

20
33
4
8
23
10
27
2
35
27

26
29
5
36
21
20
2
17
7
1

15
9
27
3
6
25
6
24
18
13
----------------- I added 3-6-15-25 after spin#27
16
32
35
8
15
12
35
36
1
36



I had a but today on live dealer should have quit at -400 but didnt and had to pay for that
I dont think I would have worked even with your method Denzie, please have a look:

3
33
15
19
28
18
26
31
11
0

7
30
1
5
13
11
22
20
5
1

23
14
2
31
28
16
12
29
7
23

16
22
21
19
2
27
10
29
14
9

6----- this was my last bet as I emptied my BR
27
27
24
13
0
13
32
26
0


Tried to play airball after this with a smaller BR got 9 unhit in a row - Finito -

With the results I had in the beginning I thought this was it...

Denzie, your safety gard with no repeaters in 21-23 sounds good but how many trackings do you have to do before you finally can bet(avg)? is it like 1 session pr hour? do you know? and from the session I had today on a live dealer table(I always thought that would give better results than RNG and Airball) wouldnt you also get a bust? Sure a bust is not the end of the system but when you get 2 busts within hours. it makes me doubt. Until now I have had so much faith in this genius method.

-777

Your first session was a nightmare and I would have lost playing WTF.
Was it live dealer or RNG.

Your second session should not have lost following the count and betting accordingly.
You do realize that most people have formulated their own way of playing the repeats and a lot of the time it goes against what they should be doing if they are following the count.
A lot of the time they do not have a choice if they are playing RNG.

Both of these games would have won had you played KTF but that is a different animal and you do not do anything but to start betting at spin 11 and getting out when in $50 profit.

Here is a payout sheet for your second game if you played played  WTF according to the count.

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S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 3
2 33
3 15
4 19
5 28
6 18
7 26
8 31
9 11
10 0
11 7
12 30
13 1
14 5
15 13         --- 15 Unhits in a row ---remarkable Start Betting
16 11 R 15 1 15 36 21 21
17 22 14 1 14 -14   7
18 20 14 2 28 -28 -21
19 5 R 14 3 42 108 66 45
20 1 R 13 2 26 72 46 91      --- WinStop reached (80-100)
21 23 12 2 24 -24 67
22 14 12 2 24 -24 43
23 2 12 3 36 -36   7
24 31 R 12 4 48 144 96 103
25 28 R 11 3 33 108 75 178


[denzie]

I count from 11-25 and at spin 25 only 5 repeaters.

You can see an example on reply 258 there you have a sheet from me.

On that sheet you have 8+3 on spin 11-20 (not 8 +2) 

[denzie]

I figure you start with 15 in spin 11 and just substract the repeats?

Notto starts with zero. If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2

yep

If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4

what ?

[denzie]

@ Celticknits. ... your totally right. Didn't even saw the 15 in a row.  Was to busy retracking his nrs to get my 3 non hits on 21-22-23...

I would done that as well. Good job

[RayManZ]

If you got 3 repeats in spin 11 till 20 you got a count of +2
If there are 4 repeats from spin 21 till 30 you got a count of +4

My mistake. I meant +3


We got a +2 and a +1 so that makes +3

[nottophammer]

Okay RG i've marked of your 10#'s on the sheet as you can see, also tomorrows Jackpot 13.4.16.
When i have 27 non-hit left on tomorrows #'s , we'll see how your random #'s do against the the KTF #'s.

[tuddilue]

On that sheet you have 8+3 on spin 11-20 (not 8 +2) 

Yes sorry I wrote faulty. I was in a hurry