KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[nottophammer]

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jackpot247 14.4.16
1 14
2 26
3 7
4 3
5 28
6 18
7 6
8 8
9 18
10 24
11 23
12 33
13 12
14 13
15 11
16 2
17 18
18 21
19 8
20 12
21 1
22 17
23 36
24 16
25 16
26 4
27 7
28 20
29 1
30 22
31 1
32 14
33 21
34 10
35 18
36 19
37 19
38 31
39 19
40 25
41 28
42 17
43 0
44 28
45 15
46 18
47 17
48 20
49 4
50 0
51 16
52 24
53 26
54 6
55 31
56 20
57 2
58 20
59 24
60 3

61 8
62 11


[nottophammer]

I CANT WTF

i dont understand the count

WTF players and RG, on this sheet is the numbers in reply 246, and yesterday a game after the footie.
RG this is how you learn the count, by studying your played games.
The top game i won 11.25 and 13.50 on the other,remember on the FOBT i have to use the smallest chip as they want me to hit the max bet as soon as possible.
The top game has some markings from when i got home checking things out.
What is good is that the count is the same,7,+2 and 14,+4 this is where you learn getting similar counts and if you practice you will remember how to play the count.

Remember 13th spin how many non-hit have come, at the end of the 1st 10 spins whats the count? is it favoring going for repeats,or do you need to wait, like Winkel said if unsure dont bet.
Whats 25th spin letting you know? are there half the non-hits gone, has it been fast non-hit more than repeats, think about LOTT,do you need to now include all non-hit,previous game play should have trained your line of thought.

The 13.4.16 game
11#'s in margin keep an eye on what they are doing in your 1st 10 spins, on 10th spin i bet those in the margin plus the previous 9 spins and lost. Should of played for the 28 non-hit, but i'd started so rebet,lost,rebet chipped up,lost,chipped up the rebet, now rebet but stayed same unit, of course it wins, Did the FOBT realise it would not cover the bets.Rebet the 20 at 2 units,win.

Now do i bet the 20 again as the margin still not repeated, but average doc tells me the 13th non-hit average to come in is 2 spins, they are there, so the bet is 25 non-hit and win, but its the margin,which is one of the 25 non-hits as well. Bet the 24 non-hit win.
Now the meter is nearly back to even, so just watch. 7,+2. Keep watching two more non-hit,now the non-hit have come,so lets bet the 18,lose rebet*2 win, now Lets do a Celtic just go for the 17, but you have to remember the 3 new non-hits could repeat,but i'll go with the bet,win.
Its 25th spin, now the avg doc says up to the 26th non-hit they average to come in is 3 spins, so watch, doc is right.Just watch 3 more non-hit, this looks just like the above game, so bet the 22,win. Now is it going to give 7 non-hit in spins 21-30,so just watch, there it is, 14,+4  we only need 1 more non-hit for the 15, so bet the 23, win.
I think whats 13.50 worth,with £1 units £54, so its time to leave, watching the count, remembering previous game plays, you can beat Roulette or my case FOBT, RNG.

[NextYear]

... watching the count, remembering previous game plays...

I think this is what moves up the level of gambler's intelligence!
Like playing chess or cards or anything...

Respect, Notto!

[Celticknits]

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JACKPOT 247   14APR16

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14
2 26
3 7
4 3
5 28
6 18
7 6
8 8
9 18 R
10 24
11 23
12 33
13 12
14 13
15 11
16 2 15 1 15 -15 -15
17 18 R 15 2 30 72 42 27
18 21 14 1 14 -14 13
19 8 R 14 2 28 72 44 57
20 12 R 13 1 13 36 23 80   ---   Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
21 1 12 1 12 -12 68
22 17 12 2 24 -24 44
23 36 12 3 36 -36 8
24 16 12 4 48 -48 -40
25 16 R 18 5 90 180 90 50
26 4 17 4 68 -68 -18
27 7 R 17 5 85 180 95 77
28 20 16 4 64 -64 13
29 1 R 16 5 80 180 100 113
30 22 15 1 15 -15 98
31 1 15 2 30 -30 68
32 14 R 15 3 45 108 63 131
33 21 R 14 1 14 36 22 153
34 10 13 2 26 -26 127
35 18 13 3 39 -39 88
36 19 13 4 52 -52 36
37 19 13 5 65 -65 -29


I apologize in advance for the long post but thought that a detailed analysis might be of benefit to some.

Above is the payout sheet for the Jackpot 247 numbers supplied by Notto for April 14 2016.
BR $800  Win/Stop=$80-$100. I cover 0 if not included in the original numbers. I do not bet triples. I also will stay within a 37 spin cycle. (or 38 on a 00 wheel).

Remember this is being played following the count based on, Nottos averages sheet, LOTT, and  Winkels GUT system. Decisions that only you can make have to be made along the way and I think that that is the reason people that do not understand this strategy think that the rules keep changing.

I will run through all 37 spins so that you can see what would have happened had you decided to continue to the bitter end.

One thing to note is that it is very common with this strategy to lose more spins than you win and still profit. An example would be at spin 33 where you have $153 Profit with 8 winning spins and there were 10 losing spins at that point.

Analysis:

After 10 spins we have only 1 repeat very good so far.

Spins 11-15 we have 5 more unhit come.
Remembering that each block of 10 has 5 Unhits and 5 Repeats allocated to it, this would mean that there is a POSSIBILITY of 5 in the next 5 spins. So start betting the unhit numbers from spin 1-15 + 1 for the zero that was not part of the original sequence.

After spin 20 we have had 3 wins and 2 losses and show a profit of $80.
I would have quit at this point.
The count after spin 20 is 7 +2.

As I have stated many times in this and the KTF thread you HAVE TO HAVE DISCIPLINE AND NOT GET GREEDY with this strategy.

Continuing on, after spin 24 we have had another 4 unhits come in a row.
Since there are now 6 additional unhits since we started betting at spin 16 I add those numbers on so the bet at spin 25 is 18.
Remember there is a still a POSSIBILITY of 5 Repeats to come in the next 6 spins.

So after spin 30 we have a count of 14 +4 and according to averages there COULD STILL BE another 5 Repeats in the next 7 spins. Nice odds but remember that I have not been adding in Repeats that have hit. I have tried adding them in but it seems to cause more grief than benefit so I do not add them in as I used to. Not a rule change just one of the decisions that have to be made.

So in the next 7 spins we see 2 more unhits and the 5 Repeats that were a possibility.
Unfortunately, as I just said, 3 of those repeats were triples that we did not bet.

I only bet within the 37 spin cycle so did not continue past there.

As a footnote I would like to also say that when I initially started on this road there were times that I would play KTF at spin 11 until I got a count that was good then switch to betting Repeats. Had I done that with this session I would have made an additional $50 in the first 15 spins and run right into betting the repeats.
I warn you now if you try this the stress level is high as Denzie can also attest to because he also played KTF and then bet Repeats all in one session.

I realize that lot of people reading this may not understand what is going on here and all I can say is you need to spend a lot of time practising this strategy before playing with real money.

For people that cannot grasp the concept I say play KTF. It has set rules and there is no thinking involved really. Also, reading the complete WTF and KTF threads can only help you better understand these strategies.


-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Well explained  Celtic

I realize that lot of people reading this may not understand what is going on here and all I can say is you need to spend a lot of time practising this strategy before playing with real money.

This is the best part

For people that cannot grasp the concept I say play KTF. It has set rules and there is no thinking involved really. Also, reading the complete WTF and KTF threads can only help you better understand these strategies.

[curiosone]

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JACKPOT 247   14APR16

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14
2 26
3 7
4 3
5 28
6 18
7 6
8 8
9 18 R
10 24
11 23
12 33
13 12
14 13
15 11
16 2 15 1 15 -15 -15
17 18 R 15 2 30 72 42 27
18 21 14 1 14 -14 13
19 8 R 14 2 28 72 44 57
20 12 R 13 1 13 36 23 80   ---   Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
21 1 12 1 12 -12 68
22 17 12 2 24 -24 44
23 36 12 3 36 -36 8
24 16 12 4 48 -48 -40
25 16 R 18 5 90 180 90 50
26 4 17 4 68 -68 -18
27 7 R 17 5 85 180 95 77
28 20 16 4 64 -64 13
29 1 R 16 5 80 180 100 113
30 22 15 1 15 -15 98
31 1 15 2 30 -30 68
32 14 R 15 3 45 108 63 131
33 21 R 14 1 14 36 22 153
34 10 13 2 26 -26 127
35 18 13 3 39 -39 88
36 19 13 4 52 -52 36
37 19 13 5 65 -65 -29


I apologize in advance for the long post but thought that a detailed analysis might be of benefit to some.

Above is the payout sheet for the Jackpot 247 numbers supplied by Notto for April 14 2016.
BR $800  Win/Stop=$80-$100. I cover 0 if not included in the original numbers. I do not bet triples. I also will stay within a 37 spin cycle. (or 38 on a 00 wheel).

Remember this is being played following the count based on, Nottos averages sheet, LOTT, and  Winkels GUT system. Decisions that only you can make have to be made along the way and I think that that is the reason people that do not understand this strategy think that the rules keep changing.

I will run through all 37 spins so that you can see what would have happened had you decided to continue to the bitter end.

One thing to note is that it is very common with this strategy to lose more spins than you win and still profit. An example would be at spin 33 where you have $153 Profit with 8 winning spins and there were 10 losing spins at that point.

Analysis:

After 10 spins we have only 1 repeat very good so far.

Spins 11-15 we have 5 more unhit come.
Remembering that each block of 10 has 5 Unhits and 5 Repeats allocated to it, this would mean that there is a POSSIBILITY of 5 in the next 5 spins. So start betting the unhit numbers from spin 1-15 + 1 for the zero that was not part of the original sequence.

After spin 20 we have had 3 wins and 2 losses and show a profit of $80.
I would have quit at this point.
The count after spin 20 is 7 +2.

As I have stated many times in this and the KTF thread you HAVE TO HAVE DISCIPLINE AND NOT GET GREEDY with this strategy.

Continuing on, after spin 24 we have had another 4 unhits come in a row.
Since there are now 6 additional unhits since we started betting at spin 16 I add those numbers on so the bet at spin 25 is 18.
Remember there is a still a POSSIBILITY of 5 Repeats to come in the next 6 spins.

So after spin 30 we have a count of 14 +4 and according to averages there COULD STILL BE another 5 Repeats in the next 7 spins. Nice odds but remember that I have not been adding in Repeats that have hit. I have tried adding them in but it seems to cause more grief than benefit so I do not add them in as I used to. Not a rule change just one of the decisions that have to be made.

So in the next 7 spins we see 2 more unhits and the 5 Repeats that were a possibility.
Unfortunately, as I just said, 3 of those repeats were triples that we did not bet.

I only bet within the 37 spin cycle so did not continue past there.

As a footnote I would like to also say that when I initially started on this road there were times that I would play KTF at spin 11 until I got a count that was good then switch to betting Repeats. Had I done that with this session I would have made an additional $50 in the first 15 spins and run right into betting the repeats.
I warn you now if you try this the stress level is high as Denzie can also attest to because he also played KTF and then bet Repeats all in one session.

I realize that lot of people reading this may not understand what is going on here and all I can say is you need to spend a lot of time practising this strategy before playing with real money.

For people that cannot grasp the concept I say play KTF. It has set rules and there is no thinking involved really. Also, reading the complete WTF and KTF threads can only help you better understand these strategies.


-Celtic

Hello people from the forum,first post here just read the KTF AND WTF threatsmi m in the testing zone so i choose to play WTF(to learn playing,sorry for my english)i have 2 sessions played on RNG roulette NEttent program,and a have this 2 sessions that i don t know how to play it,or were i did it wrong,I Celtic or other memver can play for me it woul be a good lesson thanks here are the numbers:

4
35
6
5
16
36
14
30
32
25
34
29
33
15
5 R
28
23
10
20
27
19
2
24
31
13
4 R
6 R
16 R
28 R

I believe that was a bust,i played the repeater from 17th spin

Thank You in Advance

[Celticknits]

Quote from -Curiosone
Hello people from the forum,first post here just read the KTF AND WTF threatsmi m in the testing zone so i choose to play WTF(to learn playing,sorry for my english)i have 2 sessions played on RNG roulette NEttent program,and a have this 2 sessions that i don t know how to play it,or were i did it wrong,I Celtic or other memver can play for me it woul be a good lesson thanks here are the numbers:

4
35
6
5
16
36
14
30
32
25
34
29
33
15
5 R
28
23
10
20
27
19
2
24
31
13
4 R
6 R
16 R
28 R

I believe that was a bust,i played the repeater from 17th spin

Thank You in Advance



-Curiosone

I looked at the numbers and cannot really give you an answer because there are not enough numbers.
To me it looks like you quit too soon.

If this was airball of a live dealer you should have won but with RNG who knows.
You still had the POSSIBILITY of 7 repeats in the next 8 spins when the numbers stopped.

Sorry but next time give us a complete spin cycle.

-Celtic

[curiosone]

Thanks for the answer Celtic,in my opinion is a bust because if i use 7 step progression will fail,in these example the repetear came after the 9th,RNG sessions have difrent numbers and scenarios that what are u post in here,i don t know what to say about it

[Celticknits]

Thanks for the answer Celtic,in my opinion is a bust because if i use 7 step progression will fail,in these example the repetear came after the 9th,RNG sessions have difrent numbers and scenarios that what are u post in here,i don t know what to say about it

-Curioseone

I would have started betting at spin 16.
At spin 20 your count is 9 +4 and no Repeats in the first 10 spins.
Being RNG I would have stopped betting until the next repeat comes then add in the number of unhits not bet on and started betting again.
Where you stopped you would have only been down -$47 and the count is still good but it is RNG so who knows what would have happened.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Celtic beat me to it.
Might be a fabricated set of #'s to discredit the WTF players.
4,35,6 then 5 duh.
Anyway to the knitty gritty.
10/10 not unusual.
13th no  repeat, so 1 hits are behind remember could see 26-9-2
15th theres your repeat.
So most WTF'ers would be just watching a very fast trot/count appear. The 19th non-hit is well early, on countback it says (note) could be spin 27/28.

If you take the half of the wheel which are 1 hits, you'll bet 19#'s upping 1 unit till a win.
At spin 26 the #4 of the 2nd street DUH hits, units out 399 return 216  a -183
Again 2nd street #6 DUH 18, 1hits at 5 units

#28 4th repeat back to positive +43

[curiosone]

Thanks very much for your time,yes its a ideea that i will remember,but this kind of numbers i think are very rare.hope that are very rare )

[curiosone]

Celtic beat me to it.
Might be a fabricated set of #'s to discredit the WTF players.
4,35,6 then 5 duh.
Anyway to the knitty gritty.
10/10 not unusual.
13th no  repeat, so 1 hits are behind remember could see 26-9-2
15th theres your repeat.
So most WTF'ers would be just watching a very fast trot/count appear. The 19th non-hit is well early, on countback it says (note) could be spin 27/28.

If you take the half of the wheel which are 1 hits, you'll bet 19#'s upping 1 unit till a win.
At spin 26 the #4 of the 2nd street DUH hits, units out 399 return 216  a -183
Again 2nd street #6 DUH 18, 1hits at 5 units

#28 4th repeat back to positive +43

Noto as i am kind of new in this problem,it a bust for me,but next time i will try to have a new approach,thank for the answer and for your effort

[denzie]

4
35
6
5
16
36
14
30
32
25
34
29
33
15
5 R
28
23
10
20
27
19
2
24
31
13
4 R
6 R
16 R
28 R

I believe that was a bust,i played the repeater from 17th spin

Thank You in Advance

This surely was no bust for me. As I play it.
Spin  21,  22 , 23 were non hits. ... so my first bet would be after that.....easy session 

[nottophammer]

 curiosone
This is the nearest sheet from 111 games to your numbers

[Celticknits]

Noto as i am kind of new in this problem,it a bust for me,but next time i will try to have a new approach,thank for the answer and for your effort

-Curiosone

OR
It is +50 after spin 17 with KTF

As I said before practice with Nottos numbers and learn to bet repeats (WTF) and in the mean time just play KTF.
Won 99 times out of 100 with an $800 br.
FYI - I would not limit the progression like you stated.

-Celtic