KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[Priyanka]

And yes, if you post the rules of your game I can simulate it for you. 

I can show how many standard deviations the win/ loss is, the max drawdown, daily loss win, edge, etc.

That's a very generous offer. I think whoever is owning this thread should provide the rule and close this cat and mouse game once for all. 

[nottophammer]

Unfortunately, the method doesn't work.  It only appears to work because of the unintentional curve fitting within the testing.

Mathematically the player can't step outside of probability by just tracking on the sidelines because the payout will always be less than what the probabilty an event dictates as being fair.

  For example...  The probability of winning is 1 in 38 but the payout is short at 35 to 1.  So using probability to beat the random game is a foolish waste of time.  This is what the law of the third is... a game of probability that still leaves the house edge intact.

You should focus your attention on beating the wheel, rather than the random game if you want to win in the long run. Thats what KTF does General it starts with all 37 pockets DUE and then just bets the non-hit, its not using the mat, CAN YOU HEAR IT PLAYS THE WHEEL

[RouletteGhost]

notto

honestly

who cares what the general thinks....he will be gone soon once he starts playing again

[Celticknits]

That's a very generous offer. I think whoever is owning this thread should provide the rule and close this cat and mouse game once for all.

-Priyanka

Some seem to be confused about what WTF is so I will say once again ------

Betting repeats with WTF was NEVER a method or system but rather a STRATEGY to help make better informed betting decisions using
1)  The Count,
2)  Notto's Averages Sheet(s) for the Jackpot 247 number listings,
3)  LOTT, and
4)  Winkels G.U.T strategy. -Which according to the general is silly as referenced here

Re: Finals Anyone ?
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2016, 03:51:22 AM »
Winkel's system was silly.

---   Continuing on   ----

Several posts ago Notto made a very important point, in the KTF thread, about the averages sheet and said that players should do their own averages sheet for the wheel they are playing.
WTF followers would be wise to read and heed this advice.

If you want rules to go with the WTF Strategy they would be:
1)  Play with an $800 BR
2)  Play within a 37-38 spin cycle

Before the WTF thread started, back in the KTF postings, many people suggested that I start a thread to discuss how I was betting repeats.
I hope that the members that made these suggestions can now understand why I was not interested.

If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!

Thank you for your time.
-Celtic

[RouletteGhost]

-Priyanka

Some seem to be confused about what WTF is so I will say once again ------

Betting repeats with WTF was NEVER a method or system but rather a STRATEGY to help make better informed betting decisions using
1)  The Count,
2)  Notto's Averages Sheet(s) for the Jackpot 247 number listings,
3)  LOTT, and
4)  Winkels G.U.T strategy. -Which according to the general is silly as referenced here

Re: Finals Anyone ?
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2016, 03:51:22 AM »
Winkel's system was silly.

---   Continuing on   ----

Several posts ago Notto made a very important point, in the KTF thread, about the averages sheet and said that players should do their own averages sheet for the wheel they are playing.
WTF followers would be wise to read and heed this advice.

If you want rules to go with the WTF Strategy they would be:
1)  Play with an $800 BR
2)  Play within a 37-38 spin cycle

Before the WTF thread started, back in the KTF postings, many people suggested that I start a thread to discuss how I was betting repeats.
I hope that the members that made these suggestions can now understand why I was not interested.

If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!

-Celtic

Thats what J did not understand

Like talkin to a wall

[Priyanka]

If members interested in WTF only take one thing away from this post it should be that
BETTING WTF IS A STRATEGY NOT A METHOD OR SYSTEM!!!

Thanks Celtic. No wonder people talk about curve fitting.

Personally, I dont really differentiate between a strategy and a method or a system. Unless it is triggered based on intuition or precognition, every strategy will have a decision point based on some set of events happening or not happening. It could be count of 8+3, it could be 3 repeaters so on and so forth. Once you know what kind of events are in play, you might be playing with one set of events like count of 8+3 and if such and such event happens i bet, while another one might play with count of 9+4 and if such and such event happens. One set of strategy could divulge into multiple methods. But am sure you might be playing with a set of decision points and events. If you are changing the decision point itself for every session it is curvefitting. If you are not, but you dont wish to divulge what those decision points are then it is privacy and has to be respected. Its all in how you see it.

Again, General has a very valid and generous offer. If the decision points are not private, then he has a good proposition to end this slang bang.

[Celticknits]

Thanks Celtic. No wonder people talk about curve fitting.

Personally, I dont really differentiate between a strategy and a method or a system. Unless it is triggered based on intuition or precognition, every strategy will have a decision point based on some set of events happening or not happening. It could be count of 8+3, it could be 3 repeaters so on and so forth. Once you know what kind of events are in play, you might be playing with one set of events like count of 8+3 and if such and such event happens i bet, while another one might play with count of 9+4 and if such and such event happens. One set of strategy could divulge into multiple methods. But am sure you might be playing with a set of decision points and events. If you are changing the decision point itself for every session it is curvefitting. If you are not, but you dont wish to divulge what those decision points are then it is privacy and has to be respected. Its all in how you see it.

Again, General has a very valid and generous offer. If the decision points are not private, then he has a good proposition to end this slang bang.

-Priyanka

Yes the decision points I use are private and will not be posted but people should arrive at their own based on the wheel they are playing.
Practice practice practice.
Nottos  daily Jackpot247 numbers are a great tool and I think his advice about doing your own averages sheet was a great suggestion.

-Celtic

[Priyanka]

Yes the decision points I use are private and will not be posted

That settles things. 

[Celticknits]

That settles things. 

Only time will tell but if the past is any example I doubt it

-Celtic

[MrJ]

Thats what J did not understand

Like talkin to a wall

Ok, we'll use the word strategy, cool? Do you RG (or anyone) feel that KTF is a VERY VERY good (great?) strategy? Once again, I'll get a question to a question, thats the norm here. (We'll see if I get an answer or not).

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

Ok, we'll use the word strategy, cool? Do you RG (or anyone) feel that KTF is a VERY VERY good (great?) strategy? Once again, I'll get a question to a question, thats the norm here. (We'll see if I get an answer or not).

Ken

Look at nottos sheets and decide for yourself

[MrJ]

Look at nottos sheets and decide for yourself

Geez, you and theflaw really have something in common. Tap dancing around *SIMPLE* questions.

I'm asking YOU directly. Be careful of your answer, you already know what comes after that 

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

You will never use this forum for its intended purpose.

I know it

I dont care if KTF was the worst thing ever. At least the forum is being used properly

[Celticknits]

Ok, we'll use the word strategy, cool? Do you RG (or anyone) feel that KTF is a VERY VERY good (great?) strategy? Once again, I'll get a question to a question, thats the norm here. (We'll see if I get an answer or not).

Ken

This is great
You're right about getting a question:

Why are you posting about KTF in the WTF thread?
And by the way KTF is not a strategy --- it has a set of rules to be followed.

Repost in KTF and I'll give you an answer not a question.

-Celtic

[MrJ]

You will never use this forum for its intended purpose.

I know it

I dont care if KTF was the worst thing ever. At least the forum is being used properly

To dance around a fire and chant HOLY GRAIL, HOLY GRAIL....?

Wrong, that is NOT the intended purpose of the forum. I have 100000% more respect for Ignatus, he at least posts methods and he leaves it alone. Dont forget RG, there are ADVANTAGES to not being a mod. You think you dont like me now? I'm on semi-restraints, dont forget that sir.

Ken