KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[Celticknits]

And heres W.Hill other end of town

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wh.enf 12.05.16
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-Notto

Oh Boy RNG at it's best.

WHAT IS WITH THOSE NUMBERS??
In one cycle:
27 Unhits
10 Repeats and only 6 are Singles
Is this typical for their machines?

The best I could do on this would be to pick a spot to lose the least amount of money
I noticed KTF would have worked fine though.
Did you actually play this mess??

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

-Tuddi

Like you I used GUT mainly for the betting entry point.
NOTE: Had spin 18 been another Repeat I would have reset to make spin 11 my new starting point.

The other thing I would like to mention is that players have to master is the countback and watch that progression level.

Because I especially want every single Repeat to pay when I am already starting to bet with a high single Repeat count to begin with, I will do  countbacks on individual numbers as they happen up to spin 25. I did not do this here (prior to hitting the Win/Stop) because I did not want to be accused of curve fitting. After the Win/Stop was reached had I continued you can see why this is individual countback would be important at spin 23.
Remember if you look at the averages you can only rely on 9 Single Repeats in a spin cycle to pay off.

The nice thing about starting to bet when 4 Single Repeats have come is that your bet and stake amounts are very low.

I hope I have explained this in a manner that you can understand.

Here is the payout sheet as I would have played it.

-Celtic

For me when I bet repeats I mainly bets on the average if I'm going to start between #18-21.
Of course I do look at G.U.T as well. But it is not my main target for starting here...
So average for me is 7-5-3.
So when I'm reaching #18 4 repeats has already gone so I did not bet on the repeats here.

The next point for me is with help of G.U.T and I have started to look at the crossing 0 vs >0.
The crossing is indicating to be betting on at #27
So after that I start to bet on 1x.
I hit 2 repeats after this then I stop.

That is one thing I have noticed on RNG you must stop fast. So for me I have always stopped after 1 hit and if the bankroll is positive otherwise I continue.

But now when I have started to learn how celtic does and with help of G.U.T I will start to hit more repeats. My new goal is 3 repeats.

For your analysis:
* Interesting that you should do a reset if 18 been another repeat
* The countback is interesting. I do it if I got 2 unhits in a row. So you do this after each unhit?
* I'm a little curious how you think about the 2x? Because you are only betting on the 1x is that LOTT?

- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

...
Bit of a bumpy ride to start with and a good example of why I use a $800 Br.
At spin 23 I had a -504 DD but gotta KTF as Notto says.
Hit Win/Stop of +83 at spin 33.

Rather than just posting the payout sheet try it for yourself and ask questions if you get stuck.
Hint -Use GUT mainly and then averages and LOTT to find the betting entry point.

-Celtic

Really fast trot.

For me I started to bet on #19.

For 2 reasons:
1. The average. 1 repeat has hit and in average 2 more in 10 can come.
2. The crossing 0 vs >0 is saying that you should bet.

I did do countback of two after two unhits.
I was up at progression 7 at #27

I should have stopped when I'm in positive bankroll.
But as you I would have continued.

When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at.

-Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

As your looking at RNG heres 30 #'s from this afternoon.

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2 28
3 25
4 36
5 18
6 16
7 22
8 26
9 35
10 7
11 30
12 31
13 11
14 3
15 36
16 24
17 32
18 9
19 20
20 29
21 35
22 28
23 23
24 33
25 20
26 12
27 15
28 24
29 20
30 29


Thanks notto!

I would have started at #19 because of the average.
I would then have stopped after the 3 repeats at #25.
The count:
10/10
9+4
4-1
I think this is nothing unusual...

- Tuddilue

[Celticknits]

For me when I bet repeats I mainly bets on the average if I'm going to start between #18-21.
Of course I do look at G.U.T as well. But it is not my main target for starting here...
So average for me is 7-5-3.
So when I'm reaching #18 4 repeats has already gone so I did not bet on the repeats here.

The next point for me is with help of G.U.T and I have started to look at the crossing 0 vs >0.
The crossing is indicating to be betting on at #27
So after that I start to bet on 1x.
I hit 2 repeats after this then I stop.

That is one thing I have noticed on RNG you must stop fast. So for me I have always stopped after 1 hit and if the bankroll is positive otherwise I continue.

Just looking at those crazy Wm. Hill numbers Notto posted and betting your way for a single win would have been the only way to win that I can see betting Repeats..
I posted my payout sheet for Wm Hill below.
Look at those multiple Repeats. And the Single Repeats are so spaced out ie. not one is back to back.
To me, something appears to be being manipulated here.


But now when I have started to learn how celtic does and with help of G.U.T I will start to hit more repeats. My new goal is 3 repeats.

For your analysis:
* Interesting that you should do a reset if 18 been another repeat

I should have been clearer and said a SINGLE REPEAT - Sorry about that
If spin 18 had been a another SINGLE Repeat we would have had a total of 5 of the 9 I have come to expect in the cycle.
Or another way of putting it would be that we have missed more than 1/2 or the Single Repeats and are not even 1/2 way through the spin cycle so I would have reset for another starting point..

* The countback is interesting. I do it if I got 2 unhits in a row. So you do this after each unhit?

Not so much before spin 21 but yes between spins 21 and 25.
When the Repeats are immenent definitely YES because I do not want to miss a back to back number like occured in spins 22 and 23 of your numbers.

* I'm a little curious how you think about the 2x? Because you are only betting on the 1x is that LOTT?

I do not bet multiple hits for two reasons.
1) There are only 3-4 of them in a cycle compared to the 9 Single Repeats.
2) Betting Multiple Repeats will make your bets higher.
Look at Nottos Jackpot247 sheets and you will see that you can more or less rely on 9 Single Repeats occuring in one spin cycle.

Again, It is important to practice with the wheel you are going to be using and formulate your own averages sheet for that wheel.


-Celtic

- Tuddilue

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WILLIAM HILL   12MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 21
2 28
3 3
4 32
5 2
6 27
7 33
8 13
9 21 R1
10 4
11 15
12 26
13 19
14 20
15 3 R1
16 24
17 12
18 8
19 36 14 1 14 -14 -14
20 16 15 2 30 -30 -44  ---   Note single countback
21 28 R1 16 3 48 108 60 16   ---   Again a single countback and Tuddilue would have WON!!!
22 30 15 2 30 -30 -14
23 0 16 3 48 -48 -62
24 3 R2 17 4 68 -68 -130
25 8 R1 17 5 85 180 95 -35
26 31 16 4 64 -64 -99
27 21 R2 16 5 80 -80 -179
28 33 R1 16 6 96 216 120 -59
29 11 15 5 75 -75 -134
30 18 15 6 90 -90 -224
31 8 R2 15 7 105 -105 -329
32 1 15 8 120 -120 -449
33 21 R3 15 9 135 324 189 -260
34 5 15 10 150 -150 -410
35 15 R1 15 11 165 396 231 -179
36 7 14 10 140 -140 -319
37 6 14 11 154 -154 -473
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[Celticknits]

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I was up at progression 7 at #27

When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at.

-Tuddilue

-Tuddi

Are you sure your Progression level would have been 7 at spin #27?
I only get 5.

Q. When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at. --- I do not understand what you are saying here.

A. I use a free opensource program called Libre Office. It is the same Microsoft Office and has a spreadsheet program that is the same as excel.
I told you about this program several months ago when you were asking the same question.

When I am at the casino playing I use the same sheet Notto uses for KTF with two additional columns added on for GUT.
I posted a copy of that sheet a few days ago.


-Celtic

[tuddilue]

-Tuddi

Are you sure your Progression level would have been 7 at spin #27?
I only get 5.
I double checked my sheet and you are correct it should be a 5 I have written wrong after the 5 repeated again..

Q. When you calculate your sheet do you do that in excel?
I think it is so hard when it is different 1x you are betting at. --- I do not understand what you are saying here.

A. I use a free opensource program called Libre Office. It is the same Microsoft Office and has a spreadsheet program that is the same as excel.
I told you about this program several months ago when you were asking the same question.

When I am at the casino playing I use the same sheet Notto uses for KTF with two additional columns added on for GUT.
I posted a copy of that sheet a few days ago.
Yes I also uses the KTF sheet. I still uses the old sheet. I will soon start using your sheet.

Yes I know. I uses both open office and excel. The thing I meant was if you are using some special sheet that you move around the progression. I mean it is hard otherwise to calculate it. Like priyanka excellent excel sheet for KTF. Something similar we should have for WTF.

-Celtic

Otherwise thanks for your answers and interesting discussions Celticknits!  I learn a lot.

Now when just betting the 1x and also start to really use G.U.T that have improved my game a lot!

Then the approach with the repeaters I think is really good. Yes I'm also surprised that not more people is betting like this.

Will go away on a business trip a couple of days so maybe I can't ask so many questions 

-Tuddilue

[Celticknits]

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Yes I'm also surprised that not more people is betting like this.

Will go away on a business trip a couple of days so maybe I can't ask so many questions 

-Tuddi

I think most people just want a clean and simple way of winning without too much effort on their part.
Betting Repeats is not for them.
I still only play repeats 99% of the time and still practice every day.

Todays Jackpot247 numbers from Notto should have been a breeze to win for you, or anyone actually following this thread.
Look at the GUT count after spin 16 --- 24-12-2.
I had 3 Wins, 4 Losses and +87 after spin 23 -Good times

Have a safe trip and a great weekend.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

If I was a teacher today's Jackpot247 numbers from Notto, posted in the KTF thread, are what I would use for a final test for betting Repeats.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Hi Celts
Todays #'s 7/10, only had this 3 times in 140 games.
  5.4.16
27.4.16
14.5.16
Abandon 1st 10, have a reset.
A KTF with 15, get the repeat, drop 1 unit, win, re-count, go with 18, job done.

[Celticknits]

Hi Celts
Todays #'s 7/10, only had this 3 times in 140 games.
  5.4.16
27.4.16
14.5.16
Abandon 1st 10, have a reset.
A KTF with 15, get the repeat, drop 1 unit, win, re-count, go with 18, job done.

-Notto

Sure take the easy way out.

I have been working with making triples work for me.

I would have started betting at spin 19 and run through to spin 25 after which I am watching GUT for a crossing or waiting for the first single repeat to hit and then restart betting.
The crossing comes first at spin 30 so I start rebetting and you know there are still a sh*tload of Single Repeats due and there they are.

Interesting to note that there is only a +2 difference in doing it this way or resetting.
Also, it would have taken 6 more spins my way to hit the Win/Stop.

Thank you for the information about the 7/10 in spins 1-10.
I was wondering about that.

Have a great weekend.
-Celtic

[tuddilue]

If I was a teacher today's Jackpot247 numbers from Notto, posted in the KTF thread, are what I would use for a final test for betting Repeats.

-Celtic

Looking forward to run these numbers tomorrow.  Will read your analysis afterwards. You learn a lot that way. Hopes others do the same!

Thanks Celticknits and nottophammer!

- Tuddilue

[Celticknits]

Here is the payout sheet for today's Jackpot247 numbers from Notto --- Thank You.

Hotnumber fanatics would have had a ball with this one on the number 33 --- 6 times in one cycle.
This one is all about the triple in spins 1-19 and averages
Watch the countbacks and progressions if you decide to be greedy and continue after spin 21

-Celtic

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JACKPOT247   15MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 33
2 22
3 6
4 33 R1
5 6 R1
6 1
7 26
8 19
9 19 R1
10 29 7/10
11 26 R1
12 12
13 30
14 10
15 33 R2
16 21
17 18
18 35
19 21 R1 9 1 9 36 27 27
20 33 R3 8 1 8 -8 19
21 1 R1 8 2 16 72 56 75   ---   Close enough to Win/Stop for me so QUIT!!!
22 31 7 1 7 -7 68
23 13 8 2 16 -16 52
24 36 9 3 27 -27 25
25 33 R4 10 4 40 -40 -15
26 6 R2 10 5 50 -50 -65
27 35 R1 10 6 60 216 156 91
28 19 R2 9 1 9 -9 82
29 0 8 2 16 -16 66
30 36 R1 8 3 24 108 84 150
31 29 R1 7 1 7 36 29 179
32 22 R1 6 1 6 36 30 209
33 22 R2 5 1 5 -5 204
34 9 5 2 10 -10 194
35 15 5 3 15 -15 179
36 10 R1 5 4 20 144 124 303
37 33 R5 4 1 4 -4 299
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on


[Celticknits]

Below is the payout sheet for Nottos 16May16 Jackpot247 numbers posted in KTF - Thank You Notto!!!
Notes:
1) Betting entry point based on Winkel's GUT strategy.
2) Win/Stop point based on Win/Stop of $80-100, and Nottos Averages combined with LOTT.

-Celtic

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JACKPOT247   16MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 4
2 5
3 10
4 3
5 13
6 31
7 15
8 34
9 16
10 6 10/10
11 36
12 35
13 36 R1
14 6 R1
15 10 R1
16 1
17 5 R1
18 12
19 26 10 1 10 -10 -10
20 32 11 2 22 -22 -32
21 35 R1 12 3 36 108 72 40
22 9 11 1 11 -11 29
23 26 R1 12 2 24 72 48 77   ---   Win/Stop close enough so QUIT!!!
24 36 R2 11 2 22 -22 55
25 12 R1 11 3 33 108 75 130
26 15 R1 10 1 10 36 26 156
27 20 9 1 9 -9 147
28 36 R3 9 2 18 -18 129
29 34 R1 9 3 27 108 81 210
30 36 R4 8 1 8 -8 202
31 16 R1 8 2 16 72 56 258
32 18 7 1 7 -7 251
33 35 R2 7 2 14 -14 237
34 2 7 3 21 -21 216
35 14 7 4 28 -28 188
36 13 R1 7 5 35 180 145 333
37 11 6 1 6 -6 327
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[nottophammer]

Some RNG for a practice

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