KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[nottophammer]

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jackpot247 31.5.16
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2 30
3 10
4 10
5 2
6 13
7 7
8 20
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10 25
11 35
12 13
13 28
14 11
15 35
16 10
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18 28
19 11
20 5
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22 1
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53 29
54 23
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57 1
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60 32

61 35


[Celticknits]

Answer: KTF!

- Tuddilue

-Tuddi

So your decision is KTF which is correct but WHY??

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

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jackpot247 31.5.16
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61 35


Thank you for the numbers Notto.

There is no payout sheet because I would not have played these numbers.

The Averages and Tracking were never at a level that I would have been happy with and I would have done several resets and still not been happy with the way things were progressing. This translates to the better part of an hour waiting for a betting entry point.
To me that's enough time wasted waiting and I would have just left the casino or switched to BJ for the day.

This does not happen often but it does happen.
Remember just because you go into a casino does not mean that you have to spend money or place any bets.
There is always next time.
It is also pretty easy for me to make this decision because my B&M is less than 5 minutes from my house.
I think they call this discipline.

-Celtic

[tuddilue]

-Tuddi

So your decision is KTF which is correct but WHY??

-Celtic

I think the answer has two parts :

1. The average of 1x.
At spin 28 5/9 1x has hit. So 4 more should come.
At spin 31 6/9 1x has hit. So 3 more should come.

2. You are low in the progression so to reach you win goal you do not want to reset.

- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

Thank you for the numbers Notto.

There is no payout sheet because I would not have played these numbers.

The Averages and Tracking were never at a level that I would have been happy with and I would have done several resets and still not been happy with the way things were progressing. This translates to the better part of an hour waiting for a betting entry point.
To me that's enough time wasted waiting and I would have just left the casino or switched to BJ for the day.

This does not happen often but it does happen.
Remember just because you go into a casino does not mean that you have to spend money or place any bets.
There is always next time.
It is also pretty easy for me to make this decision because my B&M is less than 5 minutes from my house.
I think they call this discipline.

-Celtic

I also have started to do this. I mean before learning KTF and WTF I should have never stopped. I should have tried to bet and should have blown my bankroll..

It is like Winkel says you do not need to bet. That is always a choice.  Oh how difficult I have had with this in the history of playing roulette

- Tuddilue

[Celticknits]

I think the answer has two parts :

1. The average of 1x.
At spin 28 5/9 1x has hit. So 4 more should come.
At spin 31 6/9 1x has hit. So 3 more should come.

2. You are low in the progression so to reach you win goal you do not want to reset.

- Tuddilue

-Tuddi

Perfect!!

Never make a bet without knowing why you are doing it.

-Celtic

[PeaBea65]

Never make a bet without knowing why you are doing it.

Always a good way of thinking.  Not so easy to impliment.

[NextYear]

Thanks Celt, Tuddi!

I am also trying to find logical place to start, but still having problem when to stop and should I take new 1x in new bets...

[tuddilue]

Thanks Celt, Tuddi!

I am also trying to find logical place to start, but still having problem when to stop and should I take new 1x in new bets...

No problem..

I do not think it exist a logical place to start. I will try to explain:

I uses celtic already specified rules for WTF. When I tries to find a starting point or exit point I do this in three parts:

1. Number one is G.U.T. I always logs in G.U.T. I look at if it is slow, normal or fast? If the trott is changing. Where are the crossings?

2. Averages, how many unhit has hit? How many 1x? How many >1 has hit? How many 1x has I left to bet on? I look at nottos averages, celtics and my own...

3. Progression, I want to have low 1x to bet on -> longer progression. Always aiming for 3 1x if nothing happens with nr 1. Can I do a reset of the progression? Can I continue with current progression after a hit?

So no you will not get an easy system description. I thought that existed before. But then I always busted. These 3 parts are the ones I uses now. The number one is the one that is telling me the most. Without that I do not see what the random numbers is going.

Then you need to practice. You need to not bet. You need to bet.

Hope this helps a little...

- Tuddilue

[nottophammer]

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jackpot247 01.06.16
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[Celticknits]

Thanks Celt, Tuddi!

I am also trying to find logical place to start, but still having problem when to stop and should I take new 1x in new bets...

-Nextyear

I add in the unhits when I am betting right up to, and including, spin 25.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 1Jun16 numbers.

-Celtic

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JACKPOT247   1JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 8
2 19
3 10
4 1
5 8 R1
6 27
7 13
8 33
9 12
10 15
11 33 R1
12 17
13 15 R1
14 6
15 11
16 34
17 25
18 29
19 31
20 35 13 1 13 -13 -13
21 22 14 2 28 -28 -41
22 29 R1 15 3 45 108 63 22
23 25 R1 14 2 28 72 44 66
24 9 13 1 13 -13 53
25 3 14 2 28 -28 25
26 6 R1 15 3 45 108 63 88         --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
27 35 R1 14 2 28 72 44 132
28 29 R2 13 1 13 -13 119
29 15 R2 13 2 26 -26 93
30 25 R2 13 3 39 -39 54
31 17 R1 13 4 52 144 92 146
32 29 R3 12 3 36 -36 110
33 12 R1 12 4 48 144 96 206
34 34 R1 11 3 33 108 75 281
35 3 R1 10 2 20 72 52 333
36 18 9 1 9 -9 324
37 26 9 2 18 -18 306
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[NextYear]

Thanks once more, you really mastered it in last 4 months! 

[PeaBea65]

Very good thread guys, way to go.  Reading this gives new people a lot to think about, some of the oldies could learn a thing or to as well.

[nottophammer]

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